ANONYMOUS, POSSIBLY JAMES LLOYD THE ZULU WAR, 1879

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Who's James Lloyd

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James C. Lloyd (c1828 – 1913) was an artist and photographer. He came to Durban from England around 1850, and by 1860 was established on Smith St, in Durban.

During the Zulu war Lloyd took many photographs including the Reading of the Ultimatum and The Naval Brigade of HMS Active. He also took several of the battlefield at Isandlwana and at Rorke’s Drift, as well of Coghill and Melvill’s grave.

Photography was still in its infancy; film had not yet been invented; pictures were captured on large fragile plates. Lloyd and other photographers had to haul their large tripod mounted cameras on a wagon, or pack animal, over rough roads.

John Laband, in his book “Historical Dictionary of the Zulu Wars”, wrote “After the end of the Anglo-Zulu war, professional photographers from Natal compiled commercially successful commemorative albums of the campaign, notable James C. Lloyd of Durban.”

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Photography was in its infancy in Natal during the 1850s and remained an experimental art for some years. Outdoor photographs were a late development and it is the carte de visite showing the subject posed in the photographer’s studio, which most family historians will find among their collections of memorabilia.

"The corners of the cartes can give an immediate indication of date: square corners were typical of the 1860s and early 1870s, but from about 1875 rounded corners were in vogue. So when taking a digital copy of a carte de visite it’s advisable not to crop off those vital corners.

The striking couple featured below were photographed ca 1880 by James Lloyd, who describes himself as ‘Artist’. One of Durban’s earliest photographers, Lloyd’s studio was in operation in Durban in 1860 and after a brief hiatus continued working from the beginning of the 1870s. In 1896, and up to at least 1910, he was listed in the Natal Almanac at 425 Smith Street, Durban. He is perhaps best-remembered for his photographs taken during the Anglo-Zulu War, 1879."

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Mole Genealogy.

Now why did I think the isandlwana photographer was Frederick Lloyd?

I received this from Peter Quantrill one of the most leading authorites on the Anglo Zulu War of 1879 along with Ron Lock.

Peter at present is recovering from a quadruple bypass, but has found time to send this information. I'm sure like me you wish Peter a speedy recovery and wish him well for the future.

"Dear Peter,
I saw a topic on your website, the subject being the James Lloyd photos.
I thought that it may be of interest to you to know that James Lloyd, described as ‘Artist and Photographist, was located at the ‘West End Studio,’ Smith Street, Durban.
In 2003, his direct relative, Des Watkins, contacted Ron Lock and myself and offered us Lloyds original album which had been lying, unattended, in his loft. We were overwhelmed to see that the original album had no fewer than 224 photos, a great many taken on a trip to Utrecht, Transvaal, returning by way of Rorke’s Drift and Isandlwana.
We decided to scan and make three copies of the original, now in the possession of Ron, Arthur Konigkramer (Chairman AMAFA) and myself. Ron & I then officially presented the original copy to AMAFA, where it now held at Ulundi.
Lloyd was born in 1928, the son of Archbishop W.H.C.Lloyd. He was present at the Ultimatum, his photograph of the event bringing him fame. He died in 1913 and was buried in West Street cemetery, Durban
With best wishes,
Peter Quantrill"

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Get well soon Mr Quantrill, hope the operation proves to be a great success!!

Quote :: We were overwhelmed to see that the original album had no fewer than 224 photos.

What a great feeling that must have been.

Quote :: original copy to AMAFA, where it now held at Ulundi.

Is the album on display to the public. And are the scans available.

Subject: Anonymous , Possibly James Lloyd Zulu War 1879 Thu Feb 09, 2012 7:47 am

Hi Peter .
Get well soon , hope all is well . Salute

cheers 90th. Salute

Figured out why I refer to James Lloyd as Frederick............... Ian Knight calls him that.

Ian wrong??? Shocked

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Photographs/Tugela Views and Vicinty/J. Lloyd/ West End Studio/Durban, Natal
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"Reading Ultimatum to Zulu Chiefs Natal Side of Drift Lower Tugela 11th Dec/78"
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Isandula Collection

Thanks Isandula.

24th received from Peter. Quantrill

"I have been in contact with AMAFA at Ulundi. I am told that the Lloyd album is not available for general viewing, rather housed separately under the “Collection Items.” Should anyone wish to view the album, then a request together with an appointment would have to be made."

Springbok. Also from Peter.
"Further to the Christian name, very definitely ‘James.’ Annotated in the album and confirmed on ‘Google!’"

Hi Isandula .
Thanks for posting the photo's it's very much appreciated . The ' Tugela Cover ' and Ultimatum Photgraph are they the originals or
reprinted photograph and cover ? . As they do look authentic to me !.
cheers 90th. Salute

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Hi 90th, Absolutely original and found years ago at bookdealer here in the USA. All photos are large format and deal with the coastal columln and environs except for the last one which was laid in on the inside of the back of the album cover depicting the funeral procession of the Prince Imperial, the 11th June '79.

Hi Isandula .
What a remarkable find , Suspect

. I'm very envious !. How many photos are there all together ? . Shocked

. If you dont mind me asking , can you tell me / us what you paid for it ? . No matter what you paid then , I'll bet it's worth much , much more today . You need to study mo

.

. Excellent work , '' You've done well that man ! '' Salute

cheers 90th. Shocked

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Hello Isandula

I also have an original albumen print of the Prince Imperial's funeral procession contained in an album, and I wonder if it is the same shot as yours. Mine shows the cortege arriving at the quayside for transfer to the Tender which will take the coffin out to the awaiting ship further out in the Bay. There is a line of Imperial troops and many spectators, including, on he left of the picture, many who have climbed up into the rigging of ships at the quayside, and on the right some who have perched on top of a crane. There is no photographers name, but I wonder if it is also by Lloyd.

Steve

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Hi 90th---There are 19 photographs in the album. I will tell you that the dealer's asking price for the album was $3500, but that I was able to negoitiate the price down a whole lot.

Steve--I know the photograph you mention--where the funeral procession is down at the docks with the ship awaiting the transfer of the Prince Imperial's body. If memory serves, there was quite a crowd and I think the horse that the Prince tried to mount before his death is in that photograph. I had it one time in my collection, but I swapped it off. I am not sure if it was by Lloyd. The photograph I have now is of two lines of British troops flanking the street awaiting the passage of the Prince's coffin.

Subject: Anonymous , Possibly James Lloyd Zulu War 1879 Fri Feb 10, 2012 2:17 am

Hi Isandula .
Thanks for the reply , much appreciated . You need to study mo

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cheers 90th. Salute

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