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John Young
Posts : 3305 Join date : 2013-09-08 Age : 68 Location : Слава Україні! Героям слава!
| Subject: Nine of the 24th Fri Sep 13, 2024 2:15 pm | |
| Photographed in the studio of Henry Kisch, Pietermaritzburg, nine members of the 24th (2nd Warwickshire) Regiment. Eight men are shown in the nine-button tunic, and the other wears the five-button frock. Two men in the group do not wear the Sphinx collar badge, and another only wears the right Sphinx. Only the soldier in the frock appears to be wearing numbered shoulder straps. There is a distinct variation in tone of the stained Foreign Service helmets. [You must be registered and logged in to see this image.]Privates, 24th Regiment, Pietermaritzburg. (John Young Collection.) JY |
| | | SRB1965
Posts : 1238 Join date : 2017-05-13 Age : 59 Location : Uttoxeter - the last place God made and he couldn't be bothered to finish it.....
| Subject: Re: Nine of the 24th Sun Sep 15, 2024 11:26 am | |
| The soldier with the knobkerrie does seem to have a very stained helmet. |
| | | Matthew Turl
Posts : 15 Join date : 2019-04-15 Location : United Kingdom
| Subject: Re: Nine of the 24th Sun Sep 15, 2024 12:03 pm | |
| That’s an excellent photograph, thank you for sharing. |
| | | Julian Whybra
Posts : 4093 Join date : 2011-09-12 Location : Billericay, Essex
| Subject: Re: Nine of the 24th Sun Sep 15, 2024 6:21 pm | |
| This must surely be a photo from late in the campaign. |
| | | John Young
Posts : 3305 Join date : 2013-09-08 Age : 68 Location : Слава Україні! Героям слава!
| Subject: Re: Nine of the 24th Sun Sep 15, 2024 6:49 pm | |
| Julian,
Or the start, considering the number of walking out sticks, and who can can say that the weapon on the right is not a Xhosa one?
JY |
| | | 90th
Posts : 10906 Join date : 2009-04-07 Age : 68 Location : Melbourne, Australia
| Subject: Nine of the 24th Mon Sep 16, 2024 7:52 am | |
| Excellent pic JY . 90th |
| | | Julian Whybra
Posts : 4093 Join date : 2011-09-12 Location : Billericay, Essex
| Subject: Re: Nine of the 24th Mon Sep 16, 2024 8:32 am | |
| John, that's very true. It could be either. Either way, it is an excellent photo. |
| | | Julian Whybra
Posts : 4093 Join date : 2011-09-12 Location : Billericay, Essex
| Subject: Re: Nine of the 24th Mon Sep 16, 2024 8:37 am | |
| John, Out of interest, where did you find the photo? An auction? On sale in which country? |
| | | Kenny
Posts : 607 Join date : 2013-05-07 Location : Brecon
| Subject: Re: Nine of the 24th Mon Sep 16, 2024 5:55 pm | |
| John - your post seems to have created some interest.
If you look at the man (Private) on the bottom left with 3 good conduct badges - he could be:
25B/1805 Pte Andrew Brien 1/24th 25B/1396 Pte Thomas Collins 2/24th - RD 2-24/1634 Pte William Dicks 2/24th - RD 25B/2798 Pte Matthew Finn 2/24th - from 101 Ft 2-24/2067 Dmr William Hayes 2/24th - RD 2-24/593 Pte William Jones - RD VC unlikely 2-24/1614 Pte William Keall 2/24th 2-24/1812 Pte William Tasker 2/24th - RD 1-24/999 Pte John Toomey 1/24th
If the group are all 1/24th - then the man is either Brien or Toomey
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| | | John Young
Posts : 3305 Join date : 2013-09-08 Age : 68 Location : Слава Україні! Героям слава!
| Subject: Re: Nine of the 24th Mon Sep 16, 2024 8:16 pm | |
| Kenny,
Thanks very much for that information.
Julian,
I will pm you.
JY |
| | | SRB1965
Posts : 1238 Join date : 2017-05-13 Age : 59 Location : Uttoxeter - the last place God made and he couldn't be bothered to finish it.....
| Subject: Re: Nine of the 24th Mon Sep 16, 2024 8:39 pm | |
| - Kenny wrote:
- John - your post seems to have created some interest.
If you look at the man (Private) on the bottom left with 3 good conduct badges - he could be:
25B/1805 Pte Andrew Brien 1/24th 25B/1396 Pte Thomas Collins 2/24th - RD 2-24/1634 Pte William Dicks 2/24th - RD 25B/2798 Pte Matthew Finn 2/24th - from 101 Ft 2-24/2067 Dmr William Hayes 2/24th - RD 2-24/593 Pte William Jones - RD VC unlikely 2-24/1614 Pte William Keall 2/24th 2-24/1812 Pte William Tasker 2/24th - RD 1-24/999 Pte John Toomey 1/24th
If the group are all 1/24th - then the man is either Brien or Toomey
Kenny Is that assuming that assuming that the photo is taken at the end of the war? Thanks a lot. |
| | | Kenny
Posts : 607 Join date : 2013-05-07 Location : Brecon
| Subject: Re: Nine of the 24th Mon Sep 16, 2024 8:55 pm | |
| Most photographs of the period were taken at Pinetown (1/24th August 1879 and 2/24th October 1879). Although some of 1/24th images were taken at Cape Town 1875-77 before the Frontier War & Zulu War. |
| | | SRB1965
Posts : 1238 Join date : 2017-05-13 Age : 59 Location : Uttoxeter - the last place God made and he couldn't be bothered to finish it.....
| Subject: Re: Nine of the 24th Mon Sep 16, 2024 9:09 pm | |
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| | | Julian Whybra
Posts : 4093 Join date : 2011-09-12 Location : Billericay, Essex
| Subject: Re: Nine of the 24th Mon Sep 16, 2024 11:29 pm | |
| I believe that the famous photo of H coy 1/24th was taken in either Wynberg 1876 or King William's Town 1877. |
| | | John Young
Posts : 3305 Join date : 2013-09-08 Age : 68 Location : Слава Україні! Героям слава!
| Subject: Re: Nine of the 24th Yesterday at 6:46 pm | |
| Julian, I think you dismiss Wynberg Camp, the 1st/24th were under canvas there. They did move from there to the main barracks in Cape Town. [You must be registered and logged in to see this image.]The encampment of the 1st/24th Wynberg. From the album of Capt. Harrisson. (John Young Collection.) JY |
| | | Julian Whybra
Posts : 4093 Join date : 2011-09-12 Location : Billericay, Essex
| Subject: Re: Nine of the 24th Yesterday at 10:06 pm | |
| john They may have been under canvas at Wynberg Camp but H coy could have had its photo taken in front of a building while there, or am I barking up the wrong tree? I write this only because FWDJ always thought it was a possibility. |
| | | John Young
Posts : 3305 Join date : 2013-09-08 Age : 68 Location : Слава Україні! Героям слава!
| Subject: Re: Nine of the 24th Yesterday at 10:47 pm | |
| Julian,
The wooden “prefab” barrack buildings were certainly there by late 1879, the church was there when the 1st/24th were encamped there, but it is the only obvious standing structure.
JY |
| | | Kenny
Posts : 607 Join date : 2013-05-07 Location : Brecon
| Subject: Re: Nine of the 24th Yesterday at 11:22 pm | |
| The H Company photo used by David Jackson could have been taken after they returned from St Helena when they met up with the rest of the battalion at Cape Town on 3 August 1877 before they took HMS Orontes to East London on 6 August 1877 and then took the train to KWT. In my view it is doubtful that the group photo was taken on St Helena - unless there was a professional photographer based on the island. |
| | | John Young
Posts : 3305 Join date : 2013-09-08 Age : 68 Location : Слава Україні! Героям слава!
| Subject: Re: Nine of the 24th Yesterday at 11:31 pm | |
| Kenny,
Thanks for including the date, in that case the building would have been part of the main barracks in Cape Town.
There was a photographer’s studio in Jamestown in the 1870’s.
JY |
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