80th Foot Information Request

Posts : 10 Join date : 2011-05-14 Location : Hampshire, UK

Hello.

Just wanted to ask a quick question.

I wanted to try and find out what company a private in the 80th foot (Staffordshire volunteers) served in during 1879.

Were there any muster rolls for the 80th Foot from around the Zulu war period, and if so do they still exist somewhere?

Many thanks, Ben.

Subject: Re: 80th Foot Information Request Fri Aug 02, 2024 9:36 am

Ben,

I would recommend either edition of Robert Hope’s book on the 80th in the Zulu War.

Company designations might be easier to trace through the Pay & Muster Rolls, at the The National Archives, Kew.

JY

Posts : 10 Join date : 2011-05-14 Location : Hampshire, UK

Thank you John.
I have one of Robert Hope's books but doesn't seem to go into that level of detail.
I shall certainly look into the National archives as to whether I can do some research there and find what I'm after.
All the best, Ben.

Subject: Re: 80th Foot Information Request Fri Aug 02, 2024 10:18 am

Ben,

Who are you looking for I might have something on my database?

JY

Posts : 10 Join date : 2011-05-14 Location : Hampshire, UK

Hi John.
I'm looking at Private (816) Edward Tetlow.
I have his 1877-9 Medal, and his service record indicates he was at Luneburg on 19th February, so he was obviously a member of one of the four company's that accompanied Tucker, but would be interesting to know which.
Best regards,
Ben.

Subject: Re: 80th Foot Information Request Fri Aug 02, 2024 10:56 am

Ben,

Sadly what I have on file rather follows Robert’s 2nd Edition.

JY

Posts : 10 Join date : 2011-05-14 Location : Hampshire, UK

Hi John.
No worries, thank you very much for letting me know.

Ben

Posts : 1085 Join date : 2009-10-16

Hi Ben,
Cannot help with any company designation, but found the following on his service papers sorry not in any order.
Edward Tetlow No.816 80th Regt 78-79 bar SA Medal.
Born 1856 Salford Lancashire, attested 9 Oct 1876 19th Brigade 38th foot No.816 age 20, at Manchester, Short service commission No.365 engaged 25 April 1900 posted 1 Sept 1900 discharged 25 April 1901. Add St John's Salford, intended residence 182 Corporation Buildings, Oldham Manchester, He was posted to the 3rd Northern Reserve of the Royal Reserve. Papers state age 44 when engaged and 45 when discharged, also say SA medal 78-79, Ex South Staff Regt time expired. Wife Minnie Tetlow 182 Oldham Road Manchester. I then finally came across his papers relating to the 80th Regt. Transferred 80th 2 Aug 1878 Private to 30 June 1881, service at Home UK 11 Oct 1876 to 1 Aug 1878 to South Africa sailing 2 Aug 78, 1 year 283 days, arrived UK 11 May 1880 discharged at Lichfield 10 Oct 1888, 10 years plus service, he was confined military prison for a total 150 days forfeiting this time, he also had three doses of Gnorrhoea in 1878 and 1880 Dublin. He arrived in Pretoria 2 Dec 78 and was in hospital there 15 Jan 1879 to 20 Jan 1879 for Blisters of the Feet, he arrived Luneberg 19 Feb 1879,, and arrived Dublin Ireland 12 May 1880.
Hope this helpful
Rai KLH

Subject: Re: 80th Foot Information Request Fri Aug 02, 2024 11:44 am

Well done Rai!

JY

Posts : 10 Join date : 2011-05-14 Location : Hampshire, UK

Thank you Rai.

I did download a copy of his service record, and as your post points out he arrived at Luneburg on the 19th Feb. That was why I'm intrigued which company he served in as it would allow me to speculate what he may have done or seen the following month.
I know when Moriarty went out and was subsequently attacked, he had with him men from A, C and E company's, plus a handful from B & F.
When Tucker rode out to the scene of the battle he took men from C and H company, leaving D company to man the fort. (D company having originally accompanied Capt Anderson with the wagon convoy and abandoning it).
Regards, Ben

Subject: 80th foot information request Sat Aug 03, 2024 4:17 am

ben2000
This is what I have much the same that was posted by Rai
816 Private Tetlow Edward , Born Parish Salford , Town Salford Lancs , Enlisted Manchester 9/10/76 , Aged 20 yrs 5 months , Ht 5 Ft 5 1/2 inches .
Complexion Fresh Eyes Hazel , Hair Dark Brown , Trade Cloth Finisher , Joined Regt 3/12/78 at Pretoria Sth Africa
Transferred to Army Reserve 27/1/83 . Unfortunately no Company Designation .
90th Salute

Posts : 1085 Join date : 2009-10-16

Hi All
Just a little to add, Edward married Minnie Hampson on 10 Oct 1885 at St Andrew's Ancoats Manchester she was 24 and he 29, Census 1891, he was a gas works labourer living at 16 Henry Street Manchester, one daughter Caroline aged 4 born sept Qtr 1886. He probably dies Dec Qtr 1906 aged 50 in Manchester District, Minnie dies March Qtr 1924 aged 62 in Prestwich District a part of Manchester, daughter Caroline marries June Qtr 1908 to either Richard Smith or Henry Isherwood in Prestwich District Manchester.
Rai KLH

Subject: Re: 80th Foot Information Request Sat Aug 03, 2024 8:23 am

ben2000
I would say that it will be virtually impossible to find his company with any certainty from the info available, but good luck with it.
If you do manage it, I'd be intrigued to know how!

Posts : 10 Join date : 2011-05-14 Location : Hampshire, UK

Thank you 90th, and again thank Rai, that's some great information.
Thanks Julian. So would visiting the National archives and looking at the Pay and muster rolls not shed any light on what I'm after?
I have a lovely muster roll from the American civil war which goes into that sort of detail, did British regiments not keep similar records?
Many thanks again all.

Ben.

Subject: Re: 80th Foot Information Request Sat Aug 03, 2024 9:58 am

The Pay and Muster Rolls for the 80th, as I recall, do not give coy information. They do give lots of detailed info, dates, rates of pay, special circumstances applying, pro- and demotions, hospitalizations, married status and children, movements, de- and attachments, but not coys.

Posts : 10 Join date : 2011-05-14 Location : Hampshire, UK

Hi Julian,
Thanks for letting me know, that'll save me a trip

Subject: Re: 80th Foot Information Request Sat Aug 03, 2024 1:25 pm

20 years ago plus I spent several days at TNA looking through 80th records looking for MI men. I made many notes at the time and looking through them again I can find nothing relating to your man which I noted. And there are certainly no coys mentioned.

Posts : 615 Join date : 2013-05-07 Location : Brecon

Julian,

Robert Hope wrote a book on 80th in AZW. The 1st edition has been out of print for many years - he produced a second version back in 2004. ISBN 1 904546 08 0

Subject: Re: 80th Foot Information Request Sat Aug 03, 2024 7:07 pm

ben2000
I'm afraid Hope's book will be of no assistance to you re coys. There are minor inaccuracies re some of the soldiers' particulars but Tetlow does not figure.

Subject: 80th foot information request Sun Aug 04, 2024 1:50 am

Julian
Yes I've gone through Hope's two Editions certainly no Company designations , you stated Tetlow ' does not figure ' , not sure exactly what you mean ? , he's in both Editions .
90th

Subject: Re: 80th Foot Information Request Sun Aug 04, 2024 9:37 am

Sorry, I should have been clearer. I meant that there was no coy designation and it doesn't really take ben2000 any farther in his search.

Subject: 80th foot information request Tue Aug 06, 2024 2:45 am

All good Julian Salute

90th

Subject: Re: 80th Foot Information Request Tue Aug 06, 2024 6:28 pm

The only Company designations list I have seen in my copies of the pay-lists of the 80th for this period (and most others in fact) only list their Company in the Effects & Credits section if at all. (Some occasionally are mentioned in the discharged men section).

Since the Effects & Credits refer to non effective men (discharge, transfer, death or desertion etc) the only time Tetlow would be mentioned there is when he was discharged, which was in 1888. He may have changed Companies several times in that period.

Bill

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