Trooper Robert J Kincade

Subject: Trooper Robert J Kincade Sun Nov 29, 2009 12:33 pm

Its it true Robert Kincade last survivor of Isandlwana to pass away, it is clamed he was nearly 80 years old.

Subject: trooper kincade . Sun Nov 29, 2009 1:44 pm

hi littlehand .
I"m not sure exactly , I will have a look tomorrow if nobody else can shed some light on that.
cheers 90th.

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It is believed that Trooper Kincade was the last survivor of the terrible Isandlwana massacre to die. He passed away in Addington Hospital, Durban, aged nearly 80.

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"The Glamour and Tragedy of the Zulu War" by WH Clements, Trooper Charles Montague Sparks tells how he met Kincade sitting on the bank of a river after the Isandlwana Battle with his field boots in hand. He asked Kincade if he did not realise the danger he was in from the Zulus who were in hot pursuit. Kincade's replies were incoherent as if he either did not know or realise his peril or was dazed from the fight for his life in the river, where he too had lost his horse. Kincade then found a horse in the neighbourhood that had managed to swim across and land on the bank minus its rider. Sparks and Kincade then mounted horses and rode as fast as possible to the town of Helpmekaar. Two days later Kincade’s name was posted at the Helpmekaar Base Camp as a known survivor. At that stage the British thought that only 44 men had survived. That figure later grew to 55.

Subject: kincade. Sun Nov 29, 2009 10:56 pm

hi dave.
If you have the chance , read all of Clement"s book you wont be disappointed.
cheers 90th.

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We have found a copy of the book by Clement, Glamour and Tragedy of the Zulu War, it's on its way from a bookshop in the UK. We've also gotten a link to some sources in South Africa, and we're pursuing that to gather additional information.

We're still amazed at all of this. My father is a collector of miniature lead soldiers and has been for most of his life (he turns 80 this year). Thirty years ago, he wrote a set of British Colonial wargame rules called "The Sword and The Flame", one of the periods featured in the set is of the Anglo-Zulu War of 1879. These rules are still selling like crazy global-wide. As a child, my father took me and my sister to see "Zulu" for the first time in 1963 at the Carolina Theatre in Greensboro North Carolina (where we're originally from). So call this kismet, serendipity, fate, or genetic (smile)...whatever, we are thoroughly enjoying it all and will keep this board posted.

Have a great day/evening.

Subject: TPR Kincade. Sun Mar 21, 2010 4:14 am

hi Ladycat.
I have the Clement Book , " The glamour and the Tragedy of the zulu war " , I enjoyed it , hope you do as well.
cheers 90th.

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Ancestor Trooper Robert Kincade

Hello....been awhile since I've posted about our ancestor who was a survivor of the Battle of Isandlwana, he was with the Natal Mounted Police, Trooper Robert Kincade. Our research about him is progressing thanks in part to ancestry.com Trooper Kincade also fought in the second Boer War. We've purchased some books on the Zulu War, notably one by author Ian Knight. While we continue to do research (fascinating thusfar), we're hoping to track down a photo of Trooper Kincade. We're sure there is one out there, it's just a matter of FINDING it.

Thanks for the wonderful posts on this forum, LOTS of information to take in, and the vintage photos are just brilliant!

Subject: Re: Trooper Robert J Kincade Tue Feb 17, 2015 11:53 pm

LadyCat
Can you confirm that his name was only Robert? Did he have a second name? Tarant for instance?
Also do you have his date of death?

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Frank Allewell wrote:: LadyCat
Can you confirm that his name was only Robert? Did he have a second name? Tarant for instance?
Also do you have his date of death?

Hello,

WOW, that was quick. His full name was Robert James Montague Kincade, we have a file on him and I can't seem to find the short obituary that my sister printed off. He died in Durbai (sp?) South Africa somewhere between 1938 and 1940.

Here's the link about the medal he won: http://hendrik.atspace.com/hall/Hal-Kincade.html

Thanks so much!

Subject: Re: Trooper Robert J Kincade Wed Feb 18, 2015 5:11 am

Sorry Lady Cat not the man I had listed in NAAIRS.

Subject: Isandlwana Wed Feb 18, 2015 5:14 am

If anyone know's the final resting place of R.J.M.Kincade please post it , I'll try and take a photo when I get to Durban in May .
I'm assuming he was buried in Durban , the Addington Hospital where he passed away is in Durban .
90th You need to study mo

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Hi All
Can't help with Kincaide other then his DoD being 1935.
However another interesting one in Durban is
Richard Wyatt Vause Natal Native Horse and Isandlwana survivour, Died 1926, and is buried in St Thomas Church Cemetery Durban.
Regards Rai
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Not quite true!!!!

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rai wrote:: Hi All
Can't help with Kincaide other then his DoD being 1935.
However another interesting one in Durban is
Richard Wyatt Vause Natal Native Horse and Isandlwana survivour, Died 1926, and is buried in St Thomas Church Cemetery Durban.
Regards Rai
Keynshamlighthorse

Hello Rai,

Believe me, you've helped enormously by giving us Kincade's DoD as 1935. My sister may be able to find more information on him at ancestry.com since we now have a DoD. Thank you so much!

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90th wrote:: If anyone know's the final resting place of R.J.M.Kincade please post it , I'll try and take a photo when I get to Durban in May .
I'm assuming he was buried in Durban , the Addington Hospital where he passed away is in Durban .
90th

Hello,

I wish we knew where Trooper Kincade's final resting place is, he was, indeed, at the Addington Hospital when he died. He was 80 years old. If by 100% luck you find it, it would be just fantastic if you'd take a photo and post it here for ALL to see.

Thanks if advance for your efforts!

Subject: Re: Trooper Robert J Kincade Wed Feb 18, 2015 6:17 pm

"MASSACRE HERO DEAD DURBAN, Eng., U.R) A man believed to be the last, survivor of the Isandhlwana massacre of British soldiers during the Zulu War in 1879, died in Addington Hospital here. He was Robert J. M. Kincade."

Haven't got time to read the whole thread. Did we know he passed away Addington Hospital. Does that narrow it down?

Source: Santa Cruz Sentinel December 10th 1935.

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Hartlepool Mail - Monday 28 October 1935

As this story was published in many Newspapers back in England, then his funeral must have been covered by the local papers in Durban?

Does anyone have access to archives to newspapers in Durban for 1935?

You need to study mo

Subject: Isandlwana Wed Feb 18, 2015 9:33 pm

Yes Littlehand we know Kincade passed away at Addington Hospital in Durban . If I manage to find Vause , Kincade and Sparks , I'll take some photos , and hopefully get them posted on here , Les , AKA xhosa , was my chief photo poster . Graves you may be more busier in a couple of months ! LOL . agree

90th

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Hi 90th

More than happy to help out Salute

Subject: Isandlwana Wed Feb 18, 2015 10:05 pm

Hi Graves

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What details do we have on the deaths / dates and places of Vause , Sparks and Kincade . Hopefully Sparks is buried in Durban , hopefully they are all in the one cemetery and its not overgrown ! .
90th agree

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Hartlepool Mail - Monday 28 October 1935

As this story was published in many Newspapers back in England, then his funeral must have been covered by the local papers in Durban?

Does anyone have access to archives to newspapers in Durban for 1935?

Thanks for posting this longer obit! The one we had was hardly legible and didn't have all the printing.

Subject: Re: Trooper Robert J Kincade Wed Feb 18, 2015 11:26 pm

90th wrote:: Hi Graves
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What details do we have on the deaths / dates and places of Vause , Sparks and Kincade . Hopefully Sparks is buried in Durban , hopefully they are all in the one cemetery and its not overgrown ! .
90th

Sparks is buried in Durban.

Subject: Re: Trooper Robert J Kincade Thu Feb 19, 2015 3:21 am

A good start would be his religion. Sad to say that if its Catholic there were a lot of double burials that took place over the years at Emmanuels St Josephs and West street cemeteries. John Cantwells grave was lost as a result of that.
Protestant , Jewish COE there is a better chance.

Subject: Re: Trooper Robert J Kincade Thu Feb 19, 2015 7:56 am

90th
If you have time in Durban go to the Killie Campbell Museum reading room. They have the Mercury and Witness on microfilm so getting to the 1935 ( and further back ) should be pretty easy. Once you can locate those dates of burial and potential grave yards the staff there will certainly be of huge help.
Must warn you though once you get stuck into those archives you get hooked ! Be prepared to spend a long time discovering things. You need to study mo

Subject: Isandlawana Thu Feb 19, 2015 8:26 am

Hi Springy
Very Happy

Yes I know what you mean , I was hoping to get there , but I want to go to the Durban Natural History museum and go through their AZW Files , as I went there last year and ran out of time , which unfortunately will happen again , I only have two days in Durban , and I want to spend a day in and out of the oldish book shops as well , I might'nt even get the time to chase up Sparks , Kincade & Vause . The more I can find out where they are buried , before I get there , will give me more time to actually locate their resting places .
90th Shocked

Subject: Re: Trooper Robert J Kincade Thu Feb 19, 2015 8:55 am

Its a real bugger trying to get any info from the Natal papers, especially this old. Generally the only way is to actually be there. Maybe you need to add a couple of weeks to the trip................. just a suggestion. Very Happy

Subject: Isandlwana Thu Feb 19, 2015 9:08 am

Hi Springy
I doubt the missus will go for that , as this trip is 16 days as it is ! . I need the couple days in Durban to recover from the flight , I can never sleep on planes , it takes about 27 hrs to get to Durban , via Dubai , which is the best way to go . I've emailed Ken Gillings , hopefully , he may know their whereabouts . agree

90th

Subject: Re: Trooper Robert J Kincade Thu Feb 19, 2015 9:12 am

Hear what you say about the flight, I have a couple of grandkids doing the same flight next week from NZ via Dubai.

Subject: Isandlwana Thu Feb 19, 2015 9:27 am

unfortunately for them they can add 4 hrs , I remember talking to someone last year on the flight , and they said the flight originated in NZ , you have no idea how glad I was that I wasnt coming from NZ ! .
90th

Subject: Isandlwana Thu Feb 19, 2015 11:32 am

Littlehand you posted Sparks is buried in Durban , how do you know this , or are you assuming he is , because he died there ? .
Unless , of course , I've missed something scratch

90th

Subject: Re: Trooper Robert J Kincade Thu Feb 19, 2015 11:58 am

You posted the information in another thread " I think it was in the "Brave fugitive "

Subject: Isandlwana Thu Feb 19, 2015 12:48 pm

Oh great ! $Don\'t agree$ I've given up trying to find the thread , I do remember it , but it could be anywhere ! . Anyhow , its nearly midnight , time for bed !
90th

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90th wrote:: Claire a bit more info for you , W.H.Clements says that Sparks and Kincaid were still alive when his book was published which was in 1936 , They died within only weeks of each other , Sparks passed away in Durban , sorry I dont know the date .
Cheers 90th.

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https://www.1879zuluwar.com/t6517-charles-sparks-any-information-available

Subject: Isandlwana Thu Feb 19, 2015 1:07 pm

Thanks Graves , I may need to pull out Clements tomorrow and look through it . I've just sent an email to St Thomas Church in Durban , asking if they know of the grave of Richard Wyatt Vause , and those of Kincade & Sparks , it would be to much to believe I'll get the right answers , let alone an answer I expect

I think there are several cemeteries in Durban , so I doubt , I'll be so lucky , as to have the three of them in the one place . Miracles to happen ! Shocked

90th

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Hi 90th,
As many of the NMP were interred with their OC in the NMP section of the Commercial Road Cemetery in Pietermaritzburg, you may save boot leather by looking there first.
Other possibilities in Durban are ;
Stellawood
Old Fort
St Thomas Road.

regards

barry

PS :Fort Napier in the capital is an unlikely option

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90th,

Here is a link to a photo of Richard Vause's grave.

http://www.eggsa.org/library/main.php?g2_itemId=1724485

Regards,

Tim

Subject: Re: Trooper Robert J Kincade Thu Feb 19, 2015 3:02 pm

Hi Barry
I have a feeling Stellawood was set up for the WW1 men and later WW2. Commercial Rd would be good bet though.

Cheers

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90th wrote:: Hi Springy
Yes I know what you mean , I was hoping to get there , but I want to go to the Durban Natural History museum and go through their AZW Files , as I went there last year and ran out of time , which unfortunately will happen again , I only have two days in Durban , and I want to spend a day in and out of the oldish book shops as well , I might'nt even get the time to chase up Sparks , Kincade & Vause . The more I can find out where they are buried , before I get there , will give me more time to actually locate their resting places .
90th

How nice it would be to have the ability to 'click my heels' like Dorothy did in "The Wizard of Oz" and say, "there's no place like Durban, there's no place like Durban".....and, VOILA, I'd be there!! Alas, that's not the case. I'll feel like I've WON the VC if the resting places of Sparks, Kincade & Vause are found by you chaps...thank you so much!

Have a pleasant day/evening everyone!!

Subject: Re: Trooper Robert J Kincade Thu Feb 19, 2015 3:30 pm

Lady Cat what was Kincades religion?

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Frank Allewell wrote:: Lady Cat what was Kincades religion?

Dad's family is Irish, they are Protestant who immigrated into Ireland from Scotland. We don't know about Trooper Kincade.

Have a pleasant day/evening, and thank you!

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Hi All,
If all else fails in finding the graves, the hard way, it is suggested that you make contact with Mr Steve Watt in Pietermaritzburg, who will tell you which of his published Natal grave directories to consult for the information.

regards

barry

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Robert Kinkade also appears on the Queen's South Africa Medal roll (Boer War) as a Constable Guard, Natal Police, with clasp "Natal".
You will find it on Ancestry.

Steve

Subject: Kincade to move Thu Feb 19, 2015 9:55 pm

Thank you one and all for your quick and excellent help . I've contacted St Thomas Church about Vause , from Tim's post , it seems , the grave will most likely be known , by those at the Church , which is a bonus , I also asked them about Sparks & Kincade , it will be to good to be true if the three are in the one cemetery ! . Again , Thanks to all who have tried to help , much appreciated . Very Happy

90th

Subject: Trpr R.J.Kincade Fri Feb 20, 2015 7:19 am

I've heard back from St Thomas Church in Durban , they don't know the whereabouts of R.W.Vause's grave location. They dont have a record of Sparks or Kincade either . They have kindly passed along my plea for help to another , who , is a well versed in the geneology of Durban , fingers crossed Salute

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90th

Subject: Re: Trooper Robert J Kincade Fri Feb 20, 2015 8:33 am

90th
Dig out the wellies and the anti snake venom and have at it. Very Happy

Bundo bashing through the weeds mate.
Did you watch the NZ/England massacre this morning??? WOW

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90th wrote:: Oh great ! $Don\'t agree$ I've given up trying to find the thread , I do remember it , but it could be anywhere ! . Anyhow , its nearly midnight , time for bed !
90th

"Subject: Charles Sparks Fri Mar 15, 2013 11:09 am
Claire a bit more info for you , W.H.Clements says that Sparks and Kincaid were still alive when his book was published which was in 1936 , They died within only weeks of each other , Sparks passed away in Durban , sorry I dont know the date .
Cheers 90th."

Source:https://www.1879zuluwar.com/t6517-charles-sparks-any-information-available

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Ray63 wrote:

90th wrote:: Oh great ! $Don\'t agree$ I've given up trying to find the thread , I do remember it , but it could be anywhere ! . Anyhow , its nearly midnight , time for bed !
90th

"Subject: Charles Sparks Fri Mar 15, 2013 11:09 am
Claire a bit more info for you , W.H.Clements says that Sparks and Kincaid were still alive when his book was published which was in 1936 , They died within only weeks of each other , Sparks passed away in Durban , sorry I dont know the date .
Cheers 90th."

Source:https://www.1879zuluwar.com/t6517-charles-sparks-any-information-available

Oh my gosh, this is great to read. Another relative is trying to find information about an 'ancestor' too. Imagine being a great,great,great niece of a survivor of Isandlwana. And Claire, the relative, was lucky in that a photo of Trooper Sparks was, indeed, found. Aside from the obvious fact that my sister and I are related to Trooper Kincade via our father's mother's family....that's as far as we've gotten thus far. Sis and I may be a great,great,great niece too. Who knows?! Our best to Trooper Sparks' great,great,great niece, Claire.

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