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+7Chard1879 Mr Greaves old historian2 Frank Allewell 90th impi littlehand 11 posters | Author | Message |
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littlehand
Posts : 7076 Join date : 2009-04-24 Age : 56 Location : Down South.
| Subject: Is this Cetewayo Sun Aug 28, 2011 9:40 pm | |
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| | | impi
Posts : 2308 Join date : 2010-07-02 Age : 44
| Subject: Re: Is this Cetewayo Sun Aug 28, 2011 10:09 pm | |
| Now thanks is a question. Looks like him. Littlehand where do you dig these out. from!!! Can anyone give a positive I'd. |
| | | 90th
Posts : 10909 Join date : 2009-04-07 Age : 68 Location : Melbourne, Australia
| Subject: Is this Ceteswayo ? Mon Aug 29, 2011 12:24 am | |
| Hi all . I doubt it very much , Ceteswayo died somewhere in Zululand in 1882 - 1883 ?? or thereabouts, It wouldnt be as easy as taking a photo as Cameras were still quite cumbersome and took a long time to move them from A to B !!!. Also he was buried in the backblocks of Zululand and it's still well out of the way by even today's standards . I'll go with no . Happy to be corrected . cheers 90th. |
| | | Frank Allewell
Posts : 8572 Join date : 2009-09-21 Age : 77 Location : Cape Town South Africa
| Subject: Re: Is this Cetewayo Mon Aug 29, 2011 7:59 am | |
| I can only recall a drawing done of his body being prepared for burial. Would need to do some digging to find it. Burial took place in Feb 1884 Its not without the bounds of possibility that a photo was taken. He spent his final days living near kwa Gqikazi. When he died, 8 Feb 1884, around 2.30 in the afternoon Surgoen Scott was called from Eshowe to examine the body. So its a possibility that a photo could have been taken, I presume that there would have been a photographer in the town. That said, Ive never seen a photo. My guess would be no it isnt him.
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| | | Frank Allewell
Posts : 8572 Join date : 2009-09-21 Age : 77 Location : Cape Town South Africa
| Subject: Re: Is this Cetewayo Mon Aug 29, 2011 8:06 am | |
| The drawing I refered to was published in Rope of Sand by Prof Laband, page 60.
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| | | old historian2
Posts : 1093 Join date : 2009-01-14 Location : East London
| Subject: Re: Is this Cetewayo Mon Aug 29, 2011 10:47 am | |
| It is a very good likeness. Could it have been his brother. |
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| Subject: Re: Is this Cetewayo Mon Aug 29, 2011 1:19 pm | |
| I very much doubt it is him. His head-ring is missing, which if I recall is basically part of his hair and cannot be removed, as it is waxed or glued into place, not sure though. I did see a drawing of him in death, wrapped tightly in a type of blanket, placed in a sitting position, as I think dead Zulu kings aren't buried lying down. |
| | | Mr Greaves
Posts : 747 Join date : 2009-10-18
| Subject: Re: Is this Cetewayo Mon Aug 29, 2011 6:34 pm | |
| Good point regarding the head ring, Camera's would not have been an issue with someone as important as Ceteswayo. |
| | | Chard1879
Posts : 1261 Join date : 2010-04-12
| Subject: Re: Is this Cetewayo Tue Aug 30, 2011 9:44 am | |
| This is a bit of a macabre photo!!! |
| | | 90th
Posts : 10909 Join date : 2009-04-07 Age : 68 Location : Melbourne, Australia
| Subject: Is this Ceteswayo ? Tue Aug 30, 2011 12:08 pm | |
| Hi Mr.Greaves. I dont think its a case of '' camera's being an issue with someone as important as Ceteswayo '' , because its a case of logistics pure and simple , he died a long way from the nearest camera and its not like you could hop on a helicopter or drive there by car !. And his importance , to whom , his own people poisoned him or so the train of thought is , and the British , I dont think they thought of him being of any importance either . Nothing was done to preserve the occassion , if they went all that way to take 1 photo !!!. I'm positive there would have been many others showing his burial etc etc . I doubt it's him . As Colin J mentioned all the zulu kings that I've read of have all been buried in blankets and hides , and buried in a sitting position . cheers 90th. |
| | | Chelmsfordthescapegoat
Posts : 2593 Join date : 2009-04-24
| Subject: Re: Is this Cetewayo Tue Aug 30, 2011 12:34 pm | |
| Also it looks like this chap as a white shirt and black tie. Could be wrong. |
| | | 90th
Posts : 10909 Join date : 2009-04-07 Age : 68 Location : Melbourne, Australia
| Subject: Is this Ceteswayo ? Tue Aug 30, 2011 12:43 pm | |
| Hi Ctsg. :lol!: . You may well be right , I'm getting an 80's vibe and it's not the 1880's !. I'm thinking 1980's with that styled mo !. cheers 90th. . |
| | | barry
Posts : 947 Join date : 2011-10-21 Location : Algoa Bay
| Subject: Is this Cetewayo? Fri Nov 11, 2011 7:06 pm | |
| The pic looks very much like that of Prince Dinizulu ka Cetywayo Zulu. He was a very rotund fellow in build with a roundish face and moustache. Pic seems to fit this. If anyone has a copy of R.C. Samuelsons "Long Ago", go to page 213. Samuelson says that King Cetywayo ka Mpanda Zulu , alive in 1881, but was in captivity at Oude Moulen, Cape Town. He died in 1884, aged 58 years and was buried in the fastness of the Nkandhla forest, Zululand |
| | | littlehand
Posts : 7076 Join date : 2009-04-24 Age : 56 Location : Down South.
| Subject: Re: Is this Cetewayo Sat Nov 12, 2011 6:59 pm | |
| Is this the chap, Barry [You must be registered and logged in to see this image.]King Dinuzulu You could be right. |
| | | barry
Posts : 947 Join date : 2011-10-21 Location : Algoa Bay
| Subject: Prince Dinizulu Sun Nov 13, 2011 3:51 am | |
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| | | ADMIN
Posts : 4358 Join date : 2008-11-01 Age : 65 Location : KENT
| Subject: Re: Is this Cetewayo Tue Nov 15, 2011 2:54 pm | |
| Posted on behalf of forum member Barry. [You must be registered and logged in to see this image.]Photo & Text by Barry. "For those interested I attach a picture of Prince Dinizulu during his trial in 1907. Those in the picture are his defence team at the trial. More interesting however are the two persons on Dinizulu's left, R.C.Samuelson, leader of the Driefontein Scouts and the infamouse Miss H.F.Colenso".Picture acknowledment to R.C. Samuelson's Long Long Ago barry |
| | | tasker224
Posts : 2101 Join date : 2010-07-30 Age : 57 Location : North London
| Subject: Re: Is this Cetewayo Wed Nov 16, 2011 7:16 pm | |
| no. looks too young - unless this is a young photo of him fast asleep. if someone can post up a frontal facial shot of the real mccoy king cetshwayo, i will have a go at running the 2 pics through our facial recognition software at work. |
| | | 90th
Posts : 10909 Join date : 2009-04-07 Age : 68 Location : Melbourne, Australia
| Subject: Is this Cetewayo Thu Nov 17, 2011 4:35 am | |
| Hi all. I'm fairly certain it's King Dinizulu . cheers 90th. |
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