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![Non- British regiments’ Zulu war. Empty](https://2img.net/i/empty.gif) | Subject: Non- British regiments’ Zulu war. Thu Jun 11, 2009 10:38 pm | |
| Can anyone shed some light on where the NNC, NMP, NNH and similar originate. Where they local conscripts Or mercenaries, paid for by the British Government. In the Film Zulu Dawn the NMP were white men not black. |
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| I think you find that most of theses regiments were made up of local boar farmers, who volunteered with the promise of land, not sure if they were paid anymore or any less than the average British soldier. John Dunn had a couple of hundred native followers when he joined up with the British. Well, I say joined. He never had much choice really. |
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| Believe it or not, Durnford was the one that drew up the letters, stating the proposals for the conscripts of the thousands of colonial Zulu. Which was to be brought in the when the invasion of Zululand commenced. It was Durnford who formed the NNC and the NNH.
Chelmsford who had commissioned Lonsdale asked him to speak to old soldiers who had fought in the Ninth Frontier War. Lonsdale arrived in Natal in November 1878 with 190 white conscripts, who would be come officers or NCOs of the NNC.
Ruffians and ex-convicts formed many of the other units like the Border Horse, Raaffs Rangers, and Bakers Horse. And of course there was John Dunn’s unit of scouts.
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| Thanks for the information S.D. It always good to learn. |
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| hi 24th.
the N.N.C ( NATAL NATIVE CONTINGENT) formed nov 1878. the N.M.P ( NATAL MTD POLICE ) apprx 1874. the nnc were mostly zulu's not happy on the zulu side of the river. the police mostly all local people , not much detail ,sorry 24th.
cheers 90th. |
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| hi all. ZULU WAR- VOLUNTEERS, IRREGULARS, AND AUXILIARIES. by IAN CASTLE. PUBLISHED BY OSPREY. will give you a good insight into the non- imperial units. google the ISBN NUMBER 1841764841. plenty of copies to purchase, some expensive , others far cheaper. good shopping.
cheers 90th. |
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| hi 24th.
the 2 pictures that sas1 has listed on his reply , come from the book i mentioned in my previous post, you may find it beneficial to purchase one , if you wish to learn about the colonial forces in zulu war. cheers 90th. |
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| Thanks 90th and sas1. The book is on my Chirstmas wish list. |
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| Battles and Casualties with-in the Irregular forces.
SOUTH AFRICA 1877-79 ALBERT BURGHERS Private W. Loughlin - killed in action at Jumdwala Private W. Moubrey - killed in action at Jumdwala Private G. Welsh - killed in action at Jumdwala BAKER'S HORSE Troopers: John Campbell - killed in action at Inhlobane 28 March 1879 M. Christianson - killed in action at Inhlobane 28 March 1879 J. Darwin - killed in action at Inhlobane 28 March 1879 R. David - killed in action at Inhlobane 28 March 1879 W. Dubar - killed in action at Inhlobane 28 March 1879 PG. Rossam - killed in action at Inhlobane 28 March 1879 W. Van Niekerk - wounded at Inhlobane 28 March 1879. died of wounds W. Walters - killed in action at Inhlobane 28 March 1879 C. Ward - killed in action at Inhlobane 28 March 1879
BARKLEY RANGERS Trooper C.L. Campbell - killed in action Trooper T. Dawson - killed in action Trooper Ford - killed in action Trooper L. Rawstone - killed in action BETTINGTON'S HORSE Trooper W. Able - killed in action at Ityotyosi River 1 June 1879 Trooper G. Rogers - killed in action at Ityotyosi River 1 June 1879
BORDER HOSRE Orderly Room Sergeant T. Brissenden - killed in action at Inhlobane 28 March 1879 Regimental Sergeant-Major E.J. Brown - killed in action at Inhlobane 28 March 1879 Trooper Sergeant-Major J.S. Fisher - killed in action at Inhlobane 28 March 1879 Farrier Seregant J. Freize - killed in action at Inhlobane 28 March 1879 Paymaster Sergeant A. Johnson - killed in action at Inhlobane 28 March 1879 Quartermaster Sergeant Norman McLeod - killed in action at Sekukuni's Kraal 28 November 1879 Trumpet Major E.H. Meredith - killed in action at Inhlobane 28 March 1879 Quatermaster Sergeant F. Russell - killed in action at Inhlobane 28 March 1879 Sergeant A. Stewart - killed in action at Inhlobane 28 March 1879 Corporals: J. Blackmore - killed in action at Inhlobane 28 March 1879 D. Coetzee - killed in action at Inhlobane 28 March 1879 B. Ford - killed in action at Inhlobane 28 March 1879 E. Mitchell - killed in action at Sekukuni's Kraal 28 November 1879 H.B. Porter - killed in action at Inhlobane 28 March 1879 J. Van Hasselt - killed in action at Inhlobane 28 March 1879 Lance-Corporal E. Bernhardt - killed in action at Inhlobane 28 March 1879 Trumpeter W. Reilly - killed in action at Inhlobane 28 March 1879 Trooper: L. Barth - killed in action at Inhlobane 28 March 1879 P. Brooks - killed in action at Inhlobane 28 March 1879 C. Boudoin - killed in action at Inhlobane 28 March 1879 J. Cameron - killed in action at Inhlobane 28 March 1879 W. Cherry - killed in action at Inhlobane 28 March 1879 J.T. Craig - killed in action at Inhlobane 28 March 1879 B.J. Craney - killed in action at Inhlobane 28 March 1879 J. Davey - killed in action at Inhlobane 28 March 1879 W. Evans - killed in action at Inhlobane 28 March 1879 Farquarharson - killed in action at Inhlobane 28 March 1879 E. Grandier - killed in action at Inhlobane 28 March 1879 A. Hartman - killed in action at Inhlobane 28 March 1879 F.J. Jeffrey - killed in action at Inhlobane 28 March 1879 W. Jeffries - killed in action at Inhlobane 28 March 1879 G. King (2) - killed in action at Inhlobane 28 March 1879 J.A. McKay - killed in action at Inhlobane 28 March 1879 J.C. Mann - killed in action at Inhlobane 28 March 1879 P. Martin - killed in action at Inhlobane 28 March 1879 F. Meilot - killed in action at Inhlobane 28 March 1879 D. Mellna - killed in action at Inhlobane 28 March 1879 Jacobus Muller - killed in action at Inhlobane 28 March 1879 Alfred Reid - killed in action at Inhlobane 28 March 1879 J. Shepherd - killed in action at Inhlobane 28 March 1879 Thompson - killed in action at Inhlobane 28 March 1879 J. Underwood - killed in action at Inhlobane 28 March 1879 S. Wynen - killed in action at Inhlobane 28 March 1879
BUFFALO BORDER GUARD Trooper Eary - killed in action at Isandhlwanan 22 January 1879 Trooper Gutteridge - killed in action at Isandhlwanan 22 January 1879 Trooper Wehr - killed in action at Isandhlwanan 22 January 1879 BUFFALO VOLUNTEER RIFLES Sergeant M. Broderick - killed in action at Isandhlwanan 22 January 1879 Private Runchwan - killed in action at Inhlobane 28 March 1879
BURGHER FORCE - Trooper L.S. Combrink - killed in action at Utrecht 26 April 1879 CHALUMNA VOLUNTEER CAVALRY Sergeant J.C. Holl - killed in action Trooper C. Sansom - killed in action
DIAMOND FIELDS HORSE Corporals: P. Davis - killed in action at Gobatse Heights 14 October 1878 R.W. McKay - killed in action at Gobatse Heights 14 October 1878 A. Muller - killed in action at Gobatse Heights 14 October 1878 R. Payne - killed in action at Gobatse Heights 14 October 1878 R. Thornton - killed in action at Gobatse Heights 14 October 1878 Troopers: A. Arnold - killed in action at Gobatse Heights 14 October 1878 G. Barrington - killed in action at Gobatse Heights 14 October 1878 Bees - killed in action at Gobatse Heights 14 October 1878 W. Chapman - killed in action at Gobatse Heights 14 October 1878 L. Green - killed in action at Gobatse Heights 14 October 1878 C. Hailby - killed in action at Gobatse Heights 14 October 1878 J.W. Mathews - killed in action at Gobatse Heights 14 October 1878 Williams - killed in action at Gobatse Heights 14 October 1878
FERREIRA'S HORSE Regimental Sergeant Major E. Caufield - killed in action at Sekukuni's Kraal 28 November 1879 Regimental Sergeant Major R. Wilson - killed in action at Lebeak's Staadt 14 May 1879 Troopers: A. Chowles - killed in action at Sekukuni's Kraal 28 November 1879 P. Grant - Missing on patrol near Sekukuni's Kraal 21 June 1879 G. Hick - killed in action at Sekukuni's Kraal 22 June 1878 P. Robb - killed in action at Sekukuni's Kraal 22 June 1878 FORT BEAUFORT BURGHERS - Trooper R. Slater - killed in action at Morosi's Stronghold 29 May 1879 FORT WHITE MOUNTED VOLUNTEERS - Sergeant J. Murray - killed in action at Isandhlwanan 22 January 1879 FRONTIER LIGHT HORSE 250 Sergeant J. Tippett - killed in action at Kambula 29 March 1879 Troopers: 251 A.J. Burton - killed in action at Inhlobane 28 March 1879 288 P.W. Caffin - killed in action at Inhlobane 28 March 1879 367 W. Cherry - killed in action at Inhlobane 28 March 1879 228 A.W. Dobson - killed in action at Inhlobane 28 March 1879 83 G. Dodwell - killed in action at Inhlobane 28 March 1879 227 A.W. Dobson - killed in action at Inhlobane 28 March 1879 247 W. Gordon - killed in action at Inhlobane 28 March 1879 177 J. Grills - killed in action at Inhlobane 28 March 1879 112 T. Halliday - killed in action at Inhlobane 28 March 1879 24 J. Hasseldine - killed in action at Inhlobane 28 March 1879 200 H. Helwig - killed in action at Inhlobane 28 March 1879 332 E. Higgins - killed in action at Inhlobane 28 March 1879 113 G. Horn - killed in action at Inhlobane 28 March 1879 87 J. Kerween - killed in action at Inhlobane 28 March 1879 317 W.H. Livingstone - killed in action at Inhlobane 28 March 1879 295 C. Lyndon - killed in action at Inhlobane 28 March 1879 266 J. May - killed in action at Inhlobane 28 March 1879 312 C. Merk - killed in action at Inhlobane 28 March 1879 369 G. Pearce - killed in action near Ulundi 3 July 1879 57 H. Plante - killed in action at Inhlobane 28 March 1879 296 M. Prendergast - killed in action at Inhlobane 28 March 1879 248 W.A. Rogan - killed in action at Inhlobane 28 March 1879 375 J.A. Roubenhamer - killed in action near Ulundi 3 July 1879 16 H. Runciman - killed in action at Inhlobane 28 March 1879 311 A. Schermal - killed in action at Inhlobane 28 March 1879 279 G. Seymour - killed in action at Inhlobane 28 March 1879 214 L. Shearer - - killed in action at Inhlobane 28 March 1879 236 W. Tirrill - killed in action at Inhlobane 28 March 1879 273 G. Williams - killed in action at Inhlobane 28 March 1879
FRONTIER MOUNTED RIFLEMEN Private F.L. Brown - killed in action Private J. Doherty - killed in action Corporal S.R. Hunter - killed in action Troop Sergeant Major P. Hagle - killed in action Private H. Sturk - killed in action Private B. Toomey - killed in action GRIQUALAND WEST LIGHT INFANTRY Private J. Britz - killed in action Private G.C. Lubbe - killed in action Private T. Tidmarsh - killed in action Private H. Wright - killed in action
HERSCHELS MOUNTED VOLUNTEERS
HOTTENTOT MILITIA & LEVY - Private M. Ague - killed in action
KAFFARIAN VOLUNTEERS - Private W. Blakeway - killed in action
KEISKAMA HOEK VOLUNTEER MOUNTED CORPS - Trooper L. Hessel - killed in action
NEW CASTLE MOUNTED RIFLES Trooper W.H.J. Barnes - killed in action at Isandhlwanan 22 January 1879 Trooper Dinkelman - killed in action at Isandhlwanan 22 January 1879 Trooper Greenbank - killed in action at Isandhlwanan 22 January 1879 Trooper McAlister - killed in action at Isandhlwanan 22 January 1879 Sergeant Swan - killed in action at Isandhlwanan 22 January 1879
NORTHERN BORDER HORSE - Trooper J. Tippert - died of wounds at Rietfontein 6 March 1879
PORT ELIZABETH VOLUNTEER HORSE - Corporal Borain - killed in action at Isandhlwanan 22 January 1879
PRINCE ALFRED'S GUARD RIFLE VOLUNTEERS Private H.P. Barron - killed in action at Umzintzani 2 December 1877 Private G.C. Christian - killed in action at Isandhlwanan 22 January 1879
PULLEIN'S RANGERS Sergeant J. Aspinall - killed in action at Centane 7 February 1878 Corporal J. Cole - killed in action at Centane 7 February 1878 Private J. Bennett - killed in action at Centane 7 February 1878
SHEPSTONE'S NATIVE HORSE Trooper K. Lopela - killed in action at Ulundi 4 July 1879 Trooper J. Mgadi - killed in action at Ulundi 4 July 1879 Trooper E. Tigingela - killed in action at Ulundi 4 July 1879
STOKENSTROOM RIFLE VOLUNTEERS Private K. Jordan - killed in action at Morosi's Stronghold 16 August 1879 Private Pretorious - killed in action at Muntyao's Cave 30 August 1879
STUTTERHEIM MOUNTED POLICE - Corporal A. Shewel - killed in action at Isandhlwanan 22 January 1879
SWAZIE CONTINGENT - Civil Commissioner A.H. Campbell - killed in action
TRANSKEI RIFLES Corporals: G. Luck - killed in action W. Robinson - killed in action D. Rochfort - killed in action W. Russell - killed in action Lance-Corporal J. Stewart - killed in action Privates: J. Able - killed in action H. Atkins - killed in action Bryant - killed in action J. Meaney - killed in action G. Theron - killed in action G. Turner - killed in action
TRANSVAAL MOUNTED RIFLES - Trooper P. Mathebis - killed in action at Sekukuni's Kraal 28 November 1879
TRANSVAAL RANGERS Trooper Banks - killed in action at Inhlobane 28 March 1879 Sergant Major T. Brophy - killed in action at Inhlobane 28 March 1879 Sergeant Major J.W. Cumming - killed in action at Inhlobane 28 March 1879 Trooper Deiring - killed in action at Inhlobane 28 March 1879 Trooper R. Foley - killed in action at Inhlobane 28 March 1879 Trooper A. Hood - killed in action at Inhlobane 28 March 1879 Troop Sergeant Major W.H. Martin - killed in action at Inhlobane 28 March 1879 Trooper W.H. Martin - killed in action at Inhlobane 28 March 1879 Trooper E. Oliver - killed in action at Inhlobane 28 March 1879 Trooper A. Tonkien - killed in action at Inhlobane 28 March 1879
WODEHOUSE TRUE BLUES Trooper P.W. Caffyn - killed in action at Perie Bush 8 May 1878 Trooper P.F. Classen - killed in action at Perie Bush 8 May 1878 Trooper France - killed in action at Perie Bush 8 May 1878 Trooper J. Lamnde - killed in action at Morosi's Stromghold 8 April 1879 Trooper E.H. Meredith - killed in action at Morosi's Stromghold 8 April 1879 Trooper R. Styles - killed in action at Morosi's Stromghold 8 April 1879 Trooper G. Van Zijil - killed in action at Morosi's Stromghold 8 April 1879
WOOD'S IRREGULARS - Private Schaal - killed in action at Van Stander's Farm 2 March 1879 |
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| CTSG. I will be honest. I had never heard of some of these units. Thanks very much for infoe: |
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| John. That make two of us. I glad this is not only a discussion forum. I do like the refrence side. Lots of facts that I never knew..
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| hi all.
interesting observation in CTSG"S previous post. BORDER HORSE casualty E. GRANDIER K.I.A. HLOBANE 28TH MARCH. according to many articles he may have been the only prisoner taken by the zulus , he was found 16th april near ZUNGWINI MTN. from I. KNIGHT, " COMPANION TO THE ZULU WAR". GERHARDUS RUDOLPH said " staggering towards them in the veldt was a solitary white man , tall ,wiry, dark in his late 20"s. wearing a ripped and torn irregulars jacket , infantry trousers cut off at the knee. he was bruised , battered and scratched all over, and incoherant . rudolph could hardly make any sense of what he was saying. he was taken to WOOD at KHAMBULA. where eventually he told his story, there are plenty of sceptics who think GRANDIER may have tinkered with the facts a trifle , including BERTRAM MITFORD who travelled zulu land in 1881, i think. and of course the zulu side of the story. the full account is on pages 78 ,79,80.
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