Bogus claims to having taken part in the defence of the mission station Rorkes Drift.

He does have a point though doesn't he? Film makers get away with far too much false stuff, and by doing so they create fake histories, just like Baker, Endfield and Prebble did with the almost fictional 1964 film Zulu.

Shame on these sort of people for creating a myth and fake history, without even a thought for the men and their regiment that were actually there and did the business, but then get a kick in the teeth and thrown on the scrap heap and replaced by a hoax that created a myth, what a disgusting way to treat the actual men and their regiment.

Martin
I think that in 2023 we have to accept that there exists a third film category. Fact, fiction and...faction! Neither you nor I can change it.

Martin,

You should start a new campaign and endeavour to rectify the error regarding the misidentification of the parent unit of Surgeon James Henry Reynolds V.C. in Richard Burton’s Victoria Cross roll.

Just a thought…

JY
Joker

And Schiess as a Natal Mounted Policeman "come to arrest the Zulus."

Julian,

I was saving that for another day…

JY

Another Day, another (Zulu) Dawn.

Hi Julian.

I would have thought 'Fraudtion' would have been a good word to call what these unscrupulous bounders did in trying to alter history with their almost fictional film.

Baker the faker and the two Reds should have had the film banned by the film board until it was made more honest and accurately, and the actual men and the real name of their regiment portrayed factually rather than a pretend one that did not exist at the time.

Hi JY.

At the moment John, I will stay with the campaign of trying to get justice for the mostly Englishmen and their regiment ie; the 24th (2nd Warwickshire) regiment, who have been totally obliterated from their own history and thrown on the scrap heap, in order to keep alive a fake Welsh myth that was created by Baker the faker and the two Reds, by adding a blatant and deliberate hoax in the 1964 film 'Zulu'.

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Hi all

This you may find interesting, in May 1880 the
3rd Battalion of the 24th were recruiting into the South Wales Borderers, having an adverse affect on labour.

THE WEEKLY MAIL, SATURDAY, MAY 15, 1880

The Iron works and the militia :- The employers of labour in the Ironworks, and, to some extent, in the Collieries of the upper portion of the Country, experience note a little inconvenience annually when the militia of Breconshire and Glamorgan are called up. This year it has been particularly felt in the Dowias works, from where , we learn, nearly 200 men have also left either to join the Glamorgan militia or the South Wales Borderers at Brecon. Many men have also left Cyfarthfa, and though the works are not in full operation, it is stated that employment can at once be found for at least 100 labourers.

Another interesting article in The North Wales Express, Friday, November 19, 1880

Heading: Jottings from South Wales

I hear that a scheme is on foot, which, if ever carried out, will connect two of the largest towns in South Wales - Newport and Cardiff.

Back in 1880 it seems, Newport was accepted as part of Wales and always had been, as had Monmouthshire.

Eddie,

Although not numbered then as a 3rd Battalion, such a unit would have been Militia in any case, so not really relevant.

As to the ironworks, I take it these were the ironworks at Clydach, given that ironworks were owned by the Frere family until 1880, it was case of what goes around comes around. Frere was architect of the demise of the family’s business.

JY

Hi John

I have just edited my last post with another article.

It is relevant as it shows that the recruitment for the 24th came mainly through the South Wales Borderers at Brecon.

Eddie,

Once again you are in my humble opinion Off Topic

It has nothing whatsoever to do with those who made bogus claims to have been present in the Defence of the Mission Station at Rorke’s Drift.

JY

Hi John

My post above was in relation to earlier individual posts about the make up of the Regiment and it's affiliations back in 1879.

I stating that it was the 3rd Battalion was a pun, but it acted as a 3rd Battalion, and recruited for the 24th.

Cheers

Eddie,

Look at where that got us previously, with threats being bandied about.

It is not the subject of the topic of this discussion.

If you want to go down that route, why not start a topic in the General Discussion section on the recruitment of men into the 24th (2nd Warwickshire) Regiment, and the 24th’s association with Wales? Or whether the County of Warwickshire could sustain the recruitment of four battalions of regular infantry.

If you do I will throw in my thoughts as to how a regiment that served in the Zulu War with a title associated with the county title of Lanarkshire have morphed into the Wiltshire Regiment.

Just my thoughts.

JY

Hi John

With respect, I'd rather keep it on this thread, as I refer to posts on here and related subjects posted by Mr Cooper and others. I was not off topic, when the topic had already been changed by Mr Cooper.
Please raise your concerns with others as well, Mr Cooper changed the topic a few posts back, and always does when the Subject of Rorkes Drift is mentioned, but nothing is said. Did you inform him he was off topic? No you had a laugh.
Threats were not banded about by me, but, by people who can't except another person's point of view, you will always get it.

I have no intention to upset anyone. I posted it to highlight the subject we discussed earlier and the affiliation to Brecon and the SWB's recruiting for the 24th.
By the way John, you highlighted the SWB in a document on another thread the other day which you addressed to Mr Cooper which was also off topic, was there a possibility of you also tempting others to throw threats about, but it seems it's alright for some to raise a controversial topic but not others.

Respect to you, but be consistent with all who post, not just one individual.

Eddie,

Events affecting the Militia battalions associated with the 25th Brigade in 1880, have in my humble opinion, has no relevance to those who claimed bogusly to have been at Rorke’s Drift.

Likewise, your edit relating Cardiff and Newport, again from 1880, contained no obvious information relating to Rorke’s Drift.

I am attempting to mediate here, and keep the lid on things, but obviously you are misconstruing my efforts.

As to your comment regarding my other post, I felt the comment was worthy of explanation to Martin.

JY

Hi John

No need to mediate, keeping the lid on things is designed to silence people's views, when all should be heard, right or wrong. If people get out of line and continue to issue threats, then Admin I'm sure, will deal with it.

My edit, re Newport and Cardiff was to highlight Newport as being seen, as being in South Wales in 1880 and probably before. It may not be relevant to bogus claims, but it is relevant to earlier posts.

With that said John I will leave it there for now. Respect to you and thank you.

Eddie
You might like to look at page 1 of my Studies in the Zulu War vol. V regarding the Royal South Wales Borderers Militia (1876-1881) to which the articles you refer to above relate i.e. NOT to the 24th Regt.
The RSWBM merged with the 24th in 1881 to form a new 3rd bn of the S. Wales Borderers.
Any reference you made to the 24th Regt. having a 3rd bn is incorrect.

Hi Julian

Thank you Julian. It was a statement made in jest, as I mentioned above to John. I know the article related to the supply of recruits to the Royal South Wales Borderers militia, in jest I referred to them as the third Battalion.

I understand that it became the third Battalion after amalgamation in 1881.
The 24th Regiment in turn, obviously recruited from the RSWBM when needed prior to that surely.

Cheers Eddie

Eddie
I know of no evidence that that was the case. Kenny, however, from his previous career, would be in a better position to give a definitive answer.
The tenure of the commanding officer of the RSWBM at Brecon would only have overlapped with the 2/24th's stay there from late 1876 to 1878.

Posts : 615 Join date : 2013-05-07 Location : Brecon

Julian,

About 100 officers and men who served in AZW with 1/24th and 2/24th had previous service in the part-time Militia. I have not yet done a detailed analysis - another project perhaps? For officers, it was an easier (and cheaper) route to a regular commission and avoided RMC Sandhurst. For soldiers, they could join the militia at 17 yrs as adults (for regulars it was 18 yrs) whether this reduced time as regular recruits at Brecon I am not sure. For the 24th, a number came from Monmouthshire Militia and the Brecon & Radnor Militia (the RSWB). There were 2 from Warwickshire Militia - Bromwich 2-24/891 and Lt Henry Dolben 2/24. Notely, from the Monmouthshire Militia was 25B/1395 Pte John Williams VC.

Note that the Royal Radnor Rifles Militia and the Brecknock Rifles were both precursors to the RSWBM, combining on 4.10.1876.

Hi All

Yes Kenny, thank you, I would have thought so.

Irrespective of any Battalions stay at Brecon recruits would surely have been shipped to which ever Battalion area of deployment or operations.

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