WWW.1879ZULUWAR.COM

Film Zulu. Lieutenant John Chard: The army doesn't like more than one disaster in a day. Bromhead: Looks bad in the newspapers and upsets civilians at their breakfast.
 
HomeHome  GalleryGallery  Latest imagesLatest images  SearchSearch  RegisterRegister  Log inLog in  
Latest topics
» Dr. A. Ralph Busby
Rally to the regimental colours EmptyYesterday at 6:02 pm by Dash

» Did Ntishingwayo really not know Lord C wasn't at home
Rally to the regimental colours EmptyYesterday at 9:31 am by Julian Whybra

» Lieutenant M.G. Wales, 1st Natal Native Contingent
Rally to the regimental colours EmptySat Nov 16, 2024 12:32 pm by Matthew Turl

» Colonel Edward William Bray, 2nd/4th Regt.
Rally to the regimental colours EmptyFri Nov 15, 2024 9:55 pm by Julian Whybra

» Royal Marine Light Infantry, Chatham
Rally to the regimental colours EmptyThu Nov 14, 2024 7:57 pm by Petty Officer Tom

» H.M.S. Forester
Rally to the regimental colours EmptyThu Nov 14, 2024 4:07 pm by johnex

» Samuel Popple
Rally to the regimental colours EmptyWed Nov 13, 2024 8:43 am by STEPHEN JAMES

» Studies in the Zulu War volume VI now available
Rally to the regimental colours EmptySat Nov 09, 2024 6:38 pm by Julian Whybra

» Colonel Charles Knight Pearson
Rally to the regimental colours EmptyFri Nov 08, 2024 5:56 pm by LincolnJDH

» Grave of Henry Spalding
Rally to the regimental colours EmptyThu Nov 07, 2024 8:10 pm by 1879graves

» John West at Kambula
Rally to the regimental colours EmptyThu Nov 07, 2024 5:25 pm by MKalny15

» Private Frederick Evans 2/24th
Rally to the regimental colours EmptySun Nov 03, 2024 8:12 pm by Dash

» How to find medal entitlement Coker
Rally to the regimental colours EmptySun Nov 03, 2024 10:51 am by Kev T

» Isandlwana Casualty - McCathie/McCarthy
Rally to the regimental colours EmptySat Nov 02, 2024 1:40 pm by Julian Whybra

» William Jones Comment
Rally to the regimental colours EmptyFri Nov 01, 2024 6:07 pm by Eddie

» Brother of Lt Young
Rally to the regimental colours EmptyFri Nov 01, 2024 5:13 pm by Eddie

» Frederick Marsh - HMS Tenedos
Rally to the regimental colours EmptyFri Nov 01, 2024 9:48 am by lydenburg

» Mr Spiers KIA iSandlwana ?
Rally to the regimental colours EmptyFri Nov 01, 2024 7:50 am by Julian Whybra

» Isandhlwana unaccounted for casualties
Rally to the regimental colours EmptyFri Nov 01, 2024 7:48 am by Julian Whybra

» Thrupps report to Surgeon General Wolfies
Rally to the regimental colours EmptyThu Oct 31, 2024 12:32 pm by Julian Whybra

» Absence of Vereker from Snook's Book
Rally to the regimental colours EmptyFri Oct 25, 2024 10:59 pm by Julian Whybra

» Another Actor related to the Degacher-Hitchcock family
Rally to the regimental colours EmptyMon Oct 21, 2024 1:07 pm by Stefaan

» No. 799 George Williams and his son-in-law No. 243 Thomas Newman
Rally to the regimental colours EmptySat Oct 19, 2024 12:36 pm by Dash

» Alphonse de Neuville- Painting the Defence of Rorke's Drift
Rally to the regimental colours EmptyFri Oct 18, 2024 8:34 am by Stefaan

» Studies in the Zulu War volumes
Rally to the regimental colours EmptyWed Oct 16, 2024 3:26 pm by Julian Whybra

» Martini Henry carbine IC1 markings
Rally to the regimental colours EmptyMon Oct 14, 2024 10:48 pm by Parkerbloggs

» James Conner 1879 clasp
Rally to the regimental colours EmptyMon Oct 14, 2024 7:12 pm by Kenny

» 80th REG of Foot (Staffords)
Rally to the regimental colours EmptySun Oct 13, 2024 9:07 pm by shadeswolf

» Frontier Light Horse uniform
Rally to the regimental colours EmptySun Oct 13, 2024 8:12 pm by Schlaumeier

» Gelsthorpe, G. 1374 Private 1/24th / Scott, Sidney W. 521 Private 1/24th
Rally to the regimental colours EmptySun Oct 13, 2024 1:00 pm by Dash

» A Bullet Bible
Rally to the regimental colours EmptySat Oct 12, 2024 8:33 am by Julian Whybra

» Brothers Sears
Rally to the regimental colours EmptyFri Oct 11, 2024 7:17 pm by Eddie

» Zulu War Medal MHS Tamar
Rally to the regimental colours EmptyFri Oct 11, 2024 3:48 pm by philip c

» Ford Park Cemetery, Plymouth.
Rally to the regimental colours EmptyTue Oct 08, 2024 4:15 pm by rai

» Shipping - transport in the AZW
Rally to the regimental colours EmptySun Oct 06, 2024 10:47 pm by Bill8183

Search
 
 

Display results as :
 
Rechercher Advanced Search
November 2024
MonTueWedThuFriSatSun
    123
45678910
11121314151617
18192021222324
252627282930 
CalendarCalendar
Most active topics
Durnford was he capable.1
Durnford was he capable. 4
Durnford was he capable.5
Pte David Jenkins. 'Forgotten' Survivor of Rorke's Drift Returned to Official Records
Isandlwana, Last Stands
The ammunition question
Durnford was he capable. 3
Durnford was he capable.2
Pte David Jenkins. 'Forgotten' Survivor of Rorke's Drift Returned to Official Records
The missing five hours.
Most Viewed Topics
Please Do Not Post Ads on Our Forum
Google Chrome new standards imposed
Isandlwana, Last Stands
Pte David Jenkins. 'Forgotten' Survivor of Rorke's Drift Returned to Official Records
In deference to other online platforms discussing the history of the Anglo-Zulu War of 1879
The missing five hours.
ISANDLWANA SURVIVIORS
The ammunition question
Recent Members To The ZULU WAR 1879 Discussion & Reference Forum ( A Small Victorian War in 1879)
Pte David Jenkins. 'Forgotten' Survivor of Rorke's Drift Returned to Official Records
Top posting users this month
Julian Whybra
Rally to the regimental colours Bar_leftRally to the regimental colours BarRally to the regimental colours Bar_right 
Tig Van Milcroft
Rally to the regimental colours Bar_leftRally to the regimental colours BarRally to the regimental colours Bar_right 
Dash
Rally to the regimental colours Bar_leftRally to the regimental colours BarRally to the regimental colours Bar_right 
SRB1965
Rally to the regimental colours Bar_leftRally to the regimental colours BarRally to the regimental colours Bar_right 
warrior3
Rally to the regimental colours Bar_leftRally to the regimental colours BarRally to the regimental colours Bar_right 
Eddie
Rally to the regimental colours Bar_leftRally to the regimental colours BarRally to the regimental colours Bar_right 
John Young
Rally to the regimental colours Bar_leftRally to the regimental colours BarRally to the regimental colours Bar_right 
1879graves
Rally to the regimental colours Bar_leftRally to the regimental colours BarRally to the regimental colours Bar_right 
aussie inkosi
Rally to the regimental colours Bar_leftRally to the regimental colours BarRally to the regimental colours Bar_right 
MKalny15
Rally to the regimental colours Bar_leftRally to the regimental colours BarRally to the regimental colours Bar_right 
New topics
» Dr. A. Ralph Busby
Rally to the regimental colours EmptySat Nov 16, 2024 11:36 am by Julian Whybra

» Colonel Edward William Bray, 2nd/4th Regt.
Rally to the regimental colours EmptyWed Nov 13, 2024 8:49 pm by John Young

» Samuel Popple
Rally to the regimental colours EmptyTue Nov 12, 2024 3:36 pm by STEPHEN JAMES

» Colonel Charles Knight Pearson
Rally to the regimental colours EmptyFri Nov 08, 2024 5:56 pm by LincolnJDH

» John West at Kambula
Rally to the regimental colours EmptyMon Nov 04, 2024 11:54 pm by MKalny15

» How to find medal entitlement Coker
Rally to the regimental colours EmptyFri Nov 01, 2024 9:32 am by Kev T

» Frederick Marsh - HMS Tenedos
Rally to the regimental colours EmptyThu Oct 31, 2024 1:42 pm by lydenburg

» Did Ntishingwayo really not know Lord C wasn't at home
Rally to the regimental colours EmptyMon Oct 28, 2024 8:18 am by SRB1965

» Thrupps report to Surgeon General Wolfies
Rally to the regimental colours EmptySun Oct 27, 2024 11:32 am by SRB1965

Similar topics
Zero tolerance to harassment and bullying.
Due to recent events on this forum, we have now imposed a zero tolerance to harassment and bullying. All reports will be treated seriously, and will lead to a permanent ban of both membership and IP address. Any member blatantly corresponding in a deliberate and provoking manner will be removed from the forum as quickly as possible after the event.  If any members are being harassed behind the scenes PM facility by any member/s here at 1879zuluwar.com please do not hesitate to forward the offending text.  We are all here to communicate and enjoy the various discussions and information on the Anglo Zulu War of 1879. Opinions will vary, you will agree and disagree with one another, we will have debates, and so it goes. There is no excuse for harassment or bullying of anyone by another person on this site. The above applies to the main frame areas of the forum. The ring which is the last section on the forum, is available to those members who wish to partake in slagging matches. That section cannot be viewed by guests and only viewed by members that wish to do so. 
Fair Use Notice
Fair use notice. This website may contain copyrighted material the use of which has not been specifically authorised by the copyright owner. We are making such material and images are available in our efforts to advance the understanding of the “Anglo Zulu War of 1879. For educational & recreational purposes. We believe this constitutes a 'fair use' of any such copyrighted material, as provided for in UK copyright law. The information is purely for educational and research purposes only. No profit is made from any part of this website. If you hold the copyright on any material on the site, or material refers to you, and you would like it to be removed, please let us know and we will work with you to reach a resolution.
 

 Rally to the regimental colours

Go down 
+7
tasker224
Dave
old historian2
1879graves
Chelmsfordthescapegoat
ADMIN
littlehand
11 posters
AuthorMessage
littlehand

littlehand


Posts : 7076
Join date : 2009-04-24
Age : 56
Location : Down South.

Rally to the regimental colours Empty
PostSubject: Rally to the regimental colours   Rally to the regimental colours EmptySun Sep 20, 2009 11:36 am

In battlefields of old Regiments would forms lines and advance against the enemy, literally shoulder to shoulder. Perhaps the greatest motivation driving scared men into a bloody battle was the companionship of their comrades about them. It was this bond that made the Regiment, as it still does today.

Regiments needed a powerful visual symbol, which illiterate and panicking soldiers could readily identify on the battlefield. It was to this that the troops would rally.

Maybe that’s why so many were killed on the fugitives trail. Trying to catch up with Melville, who was on horseback?

Anyway doe’s anyone know when were the last time regimental colours were actually carried in to battle? And is there a reason why this tradition stopped.
Back to top Go down
ADMIN

ADMIN


Posts : 4358
Join date : 2008-11-01
Age : 65
Location : KENT

Rally to the regimental colours Empty
PostSubject: Re: Rally to the regimental colours   Rally to the regimental colours EmptySun Sep 20, 2009 12:36 pm

I believe the last time Regimental colours were carried into battle was during the Boer War. 28 Jan. 1881. Lt Baillie carried them and was killed doing so.

The reason they stopped carrying Regimental Colours is because they realise that the Colours provided a nice target for the Boer snipers.

But I could be wrong.
Back to top Go down
https://www.1879zuluwar.com
Chelmsfordthescapegoat

Chelmsfordthescapegoat


Posts : 2593
Join date : 2009-04-24

Rally to the regimental colours Empty
PostSubject: Re: Rally to the regimental colours   Rally to the regimental colours EmptySun Sep 20, 2009 6:36 pm

I'm not sure thats right Admin. (But I will Check)
Back to top Go down
Chelmsfordthescapegoat

Chelmsfordthescapegoat


Posts : 2593
Join date : 2009-04-24

Rally to the regimental colours Empty
PostSubject: Re: Rally to the regimental colours   Rally to the regimental colours EmptyTue Sep 22, 2009 10:27 pm

Looks like your correct (Admin) I thought wearing a red tunic and a white helmit, was a good target as well.
Back to top Go down
1879graves

1879graves


Posts : 3387
Join date : 2009-03-03
Location : Devon

Rally to the regimental colours Empty
PostSubject: Re: Rally to the regimental colours   Rally to the regimental colours EmptyWed Sep 23, 2009 7:48 pm

The 58th Northamptonshire Regiment carried their Colours into action at the battle of Laings Nek during the 1st Anglo-Boer War (28 Jan. 1881). The Colours provided a conspicuous target for the Boer snipers, and Lt. Baillie carrying the Regimental Colour was repeatedly wounded before being killed. This was the last time British Colours were carried in battle. There was a notable exception, however, during WWI. Princess Patricia presented a Regimental Colour in 1914 to the newly formed Princess Patricia's Canadian Light Infantry. They took it with them to France in December 1914, and on 8 May 1915 they flew it above the trenches. It was repeatedly hit by shrapnel and bullets, allegedly giving the regiment much inspiration and enabling them to hold out against overwhelming odds.

Sgt William Bridgstock: In his history of the Northamptonshire Regiment, Michael Barthorp relates the dire situation in which the 2 Northamptonshire Regiment (then known as the 58th Regiment of Foot) found itself during the battle of Laing's Nek. The 58th were to launch the main attack on the Boer left centre, with the 3/60th Rifles in reserve. From the outset the assault was ill-fated. The artillery support, which had been having good practice on the Boer positions, stopped too soon. The mounted attack failed, exposing the right flank of the infantry. Command of the 58th's attack had been assumed by Col Deane of the Staff who, being mounted, forced a gruelling pace up the steep slopes. As a result by the time the 58th had reached an area of dead ground, where they were expected to deploy for the assault, the men were exhausted. They were given no respite. The fire was murderous from front and flank. Col Deane was soon killed. Maj Hingeston, the Commanding Officer, was mortally wounded as he encouraged his men; and most of the officers became casualties. Lt Baillie fell with the Regimental Colour, saying to Peel, his fellow Ensign, 'Never mind me, save the Colours.' As Peel tried to comply he fell into an ant bear hole and Sgt Bridgstock, thinking that Peel had been killed, seized both Colours and carried them out of action. For this he was awarded the Distinguished Conduct Medal.
Back to top Go down
http://zuluwar1879.tribalpages.com
old historian2

old historian2


Posts : 1093
Join date : 2009-01-14
Location : East London

Rally to the regimental colours Empty
PostSubject: Re: Rally to the regimental colours   Rally to the regimental colours EmptyWed Sep 23, 2009 9:25 pm

Nice one Graves1879. So that was the last time the colours were carried into battle.
Back to top Go down
1879graves

1879graves


Posts : 3387
Join date : 2009-03-03
Location : Devon

Rally to the regimental colours Empty
PostSubject: Re: Rally to the regimental colours   Rally to the regimental colours EmptySun Oct 11, 2009 3:19 pm

[You must be registered and logged in to see this image.]


58th Regimental Colours
Back to top Go down
http://zuluwar1879.tribalpages.com
littlehand

littlehand


Posts : 7076
Join date : 2009-04-24
Age : 56
Location : Down South.

Rally to the regimental colours Empty
PostSubject: Re: Rally to the regimental colours   Rally to the regimental colours EmptySat Oct 24, 2009 12:37 am

"The Queen's Colour which was carried off the field at Isandhlwana was cased. Nobody had an opportunity to uncase the Colours during the battle. All the British (600) and over 2000 Zulus were killed at Isandhlwana. The Colours played no role at the battle (i.e. nobody was killed because they were a conspicuous target), but the press attention to the heroics of Lts. Melvill and Coghill who attempted to save the Queen's Colour, and the Queen's desire to see it afterwards are what raised the debate about the propriety of carrying Colours in modern warfare"

Source: South Africa - Wars
Back to top Go down
Dave

Dave


Posts : 1603
Join date : 2009-09-21

Rally to the regimental colours Empty
PostSubject: Re: Rally to the regimental colours   Rally to the regimental colours EmptySun Nov 21, 2010 1:34 pm

[You must be registered and logged in to see this image.]
Back to top Go down
1879graves

1879graves


Posts : 3387
Join date : 2009-03-03
Location : Devon

Rally to the regimental colours Empty
PostSubject: Re: Rally to the regimental colours   Rally to the regimental colours EmptyThu Dec 01, 2011 11:23 am

Hi All

This article comes from the Pall Mall Gazette

[You must be registered and logged in to see this image.]
Back to top Go down
http://zuluwar1879.tribalpages.com
tasker224

tasker224


Posts : 2101
Join date : 2010-07-30
Age : 57
Location : North London

Rally to the regimental colours Empty
PostSubject: Re: Rally to the regimental colours   Rally to the regimental colours EmptyThu Dec 01, 2011 7:24 pm

"In battlefields of old Regiments would forms lines and advance against the enemy, literally shoulder to shoulder"

Amazing to think that this was STILL how British infantry advanced, at walking pace, until late 1916-1917, in the face of withering German MG fire.
Not until Roland Bradford VC introduced his revolutionary skirmishing tactics as a company commander in the DLI, reducing the casualty rate of his company by something like 95%, did this begin to change.
Back to top Go down
DundeeBoer

DundeeBoer


Posts : 53
Join date : 2010-09-24

Rally to the regimental colours Empty
PostSubject: Re: Rally to the regimental colours   Rally to the regimental colours EmptyFri Dec 02, 2011 1:12 am

Here is another point of view from the period.
This appeared in the London Times on Saturday, February 15, 1879 along with other letters to the editor referencing the recent disaster at iSandlwana.

-To The Editor Of The Times-

"Regimental Colours"

Sir- Allow me through The Times to appeal to the
authorities not to allow "Colours" of Regiments to go
into the Bush Country at the Cape of Good Hope for the
future, and (I may add most earnestly) not to be carried at
all on active service, but to be kept as emblems to record
in peace the deeds of war.
I write from sad experience of the terrible anxiety and
responsibility "Colours" are in action; they require
two officers and four non-commissioned officers as a special
guard, who can ill be spared from their companies- now
more than ever. If they are killed or wounded they must
be replaced at once, which is most difficult in action.
I witnessed the slaughter of officers and non-commissioned officers
in my regiment, the 7th at the battle of the Alma.
Words cannot describe what a burden "Colours" in action are in
every sense of the word, for what? For nothing. As a point of
rally, never was a more cruel fallacy. They are neither more or less
than a point to draw a murderous fire on a regiment throughout an action.
As to the British soldier, he requires nothing to encourage him to face
death when it is his duty to do so.
Rifle Regiments have no colours.

I am, Sir, your obedient servant,
William Fitzgerald, Lieutenant-Colonel,
Late Captain 7th Royal Fusiliers.
2, Morpeth-Terrace, Feb 12

Regards, Jeff
Back to top Go down
90th

90th


Posts : 10909
Join date : 2009-04-07
Age : 68
Location : Melbourne, Australia

Rally to the regimental colours Empty
PostSubject: Rally to the Regt Colours   Rally to the regimental colours EmptyFri Dec 02, 2011 2:06 am

Hi Dundeeboer.
Good one , adds an interesting perspective does it not ?.
cheers 90th. Idea
Back to top Go down
DundeeBoer

DundeeBoer


Posts : 53
Join date : 2010-09-24

Rally to the regimental colours Empty
PostSubject: Re: Rally to the regimental colours   Rally to the regimental colours EmptySat Dec 03, 2011 2:05 am

Hi 90th,

Very interesting. Things always seem to be remembered a little differently by the fellows on the ground in the thick of it than when told years later after dinner with cigars and brandy or painted by an artist who was not there. The former not quite as romantic. Although... his last line “As to the British soldier, he requires nothing to encourage him to face death when it is his duty to do so.” Got to admit that’s good stuff!

Regards, Jeff
Back to top Go down
John

John


Posts : 2558
Join date : 2009-04-06
Age : 62
Location : UK

Rally to the regimental colours Empty
PostSubject: Re: Rally to the regimental colours   Rally to the regimental colours EmptySun May 20, 2012 7:21 pm

Looks like I have been reading the whole saving the colours saga wrongly.

Melville carried the queens colour to safety. Not the Regimental colours that would have been used to rally the troops. I assuming that saving the queens colours would have been far more important that the regimental colours.
Back to top Go down
Drummer Boy 14

Drummer Boy 14


Posts : 2008
Join date : 2011-08-01
Age : 27

Rally to the regimental colours Empty
PostSubject: Re: Rally to the regimental colours   Rally to the regimental colours EmptySun May 20, 2012 8:13 pm

John

The men would rally to any colour, either regimental or Queens, it was the greatest disgrace for a regiment
to loose its colours to an enemy.




Cheers
Back to top Go down
John

John


Posts : 2558
Join date : 2009-04-06
Age : 62
Location : UK

Rally to the regimental colours Empty
PostSubject: Re: Rally to the regimental colours   Rally to the regimental colours EmptySun May 20, 2012 8:34 pm

Just trying to find out why one regiment found it nessesary to take the Queens colours, when the other regiment only took its regimental colour.
Back to top Go down
 
Rally to the regimental colours
Back to top 
Page 1 of 1
 Similar topics
-
» Other regimental colours
» 2/24th Regimental Colours recovered in Paris
» Two Colonial Regimental Uniforms

Permissions in this forum:You cannot reply to topics in this forum
WWW.1879ZULUWAR.COM  :: GENERAL DISCUSSION AREA-
Jump to: