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+4Ulundi kwajimu1879 90th sas1 8 posters | Author | Message |
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| Subject: Officers of the 80th Regiment. Fri Jan 04, 2013 1:49 pm | |
| Hi all
Officers of the 80th Regiment appear to have worn shoulder straps replaced by leather pads.
What is that thing ?
Help me please !
Cheers
Pascal |
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| Subject: Re: Officers of the 80th Regiment. Wed Jan 09, 2013 11:05 am | |
| It must begin by knowing that IK designated as leather pads |
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| Subject: Re: Officers of the 80th Regiment. Wed Jan 09, 2013 11:18 am | |
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| | | sas1
Posts : 627 Join date : 2009-01-20 Age : 46
| Subject: Re: Officers of the 80th Regiment. Wed Jan 09, 2013 1:14 pm | |
| can you post an image of the pad you mention. |
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| Subject: Re: Officers of the 80th Regiment. Wed Jan 09, 2013 1:27 pm | |
| No pictures alas ,it's in the text of the Osprey elite n°32... |
| | | 90th
Posts : 10909 Join date : 2009-04-07 Age : 68 Location : Melbourne, Australia
| Subject: Officers Of The 80th Regt Thu Jan 10, 2013 10:16 am | |
| Hi Rascal . I checked Robert Hope's book which is about the 80th Regt in the zulu and Sekukuni campaigns and I didnt find any mention of these Leather Pads you mention . I also have a photograph featuring a group of 80th Regt Officers but they dont appear to have Leather Pads , the photo was taken at Fort Tenedos from memory . If you can as sas1 suggests post a photo or the actual statement that would be helpful . Cheers Marsupial |
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| Subject: Re: Officers of the 80th Regiment. Thu Jan 10, 2013 11:00 am | |
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| Subject: Re: Officers of the 80th Regiment. Mon Apr 15, 2013 5:54 pm | |
| A shoulder strap is the strap that runs from the tip of the shoulder to the neck and is held in place with a button. There are two of them. Anything hanging from the shoulder (e.g. a revolver) could thus be kept in place and would not fall off when riding. These were replaced by leather pads to stop chafing against the skin of the shoulder.But I have not pictures of leather pads |
| | | kwajimu1879
Posts : 420 Join date : 2011-05-14
| Subject: Re: Officers of the 80th Regiment. Mon Apr 15, 2013 6:25 pm | |
| 90th,
The only campaign photograph of the 80th that springs to mind is a group shot, taken outside of some tents.
There's an officer wearing a peaked forage cap and patrol jacket, who is seated and appears to be examining a spear. As far as I can recall there's an officer in a strange bush hat standing on the right leaning on a staff.
I just can't find where the photograph has been used.
'Jimu |
| | | 90th
Posts : 10909 Join date : 2009-04-07 Age : 68 Location : Melbourne, Australia
| Subject: Officers of the 80th Regt Tue Apr 16, 2013 12:27 am | |
| Hi Jimu You are correct , the photo I have is of a group of 80th Officers sitting in front of a tent or tents , one from memory is holding a knobkerrie I think it was . I've seen it in a book before , but I'm not home till tomorrow so cant check . It may have been in Ian Knight's large ' Silver ' Zulu War Book ?. I'm positive I've seen it in one of my books . From memory there is also a variety of headwear and I think uniforms ? . Cheers 90th. |
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| Subject: Re: Officers of the 80th Regiment. Tue Apr 16, 2013 6:50 am | |
| Hi Jim and Marsupial
To know more: curator@staffordshireregimentmuseum.com
Cheers
Pascal |
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| Subject: Re: Officers of the 80th Regiment. Wed Apr 24, 2013 6:41 am | |
| With all the books that some posseded, nobody has yet found pictures? |
| | | kwajimu1879
Posts : 420 Join date : 2011-05-14
| Subject: Re: Officers of the 80th Regiment. Wed Apr 24, 2013 7:52 am | |
| Pascal,
Instead of harping on about it, why don't you ask the man who made the statement to justify what he has written? When you have your reply from him post it on the forum, so that we may all be educated!
'Jimu |
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| Subject: Re: Officers of the 80th Regiment. Wed Apr 24, 2013 10:54 am | |
| Oh Jim , calmos !
It is very busy and my saying it will send me his answer early May, but it has no pictures, ca it would be ideal.
With hundreds of books owned, supposedly - some on this war, there is no one who found a picture :p;:
Cheers
Pascal |
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| Subject: Re: Officers of the 80th Regiment. Sat Nov 16, 2013 2:28 pm | |
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| | | Ulundi
Posts : 558 Join date : 2012-05-05
| Subject: Re: Officers of the 80th Regiment. Sat Nov 16, 2013 3:26 pm | |
| Some images here. If you can't find what your looking for, you can contact them.
http://staffs80.weebly.com/ors-and-ncos-kit.html
There some information here as well.
http://www.schoolhistory.co.uk/forum/index.php?app=core&module=attach§ion=attach&attach_id=4569 |
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| Subject: Re: Officers of the 80th Regiment. Sat Nov 16, 2013 4:27 pm | |
| Thank you, it's interesting but where they speak of the shoulder straps replaced by leather pads like in the Osprey elite n°32 by IK page 15:
" Officers of the 80 th Regiment appear to have worn unpiped frocks ,with the shoulder straps replaced by leather pads". |
| | | Chard1879
Posts : 1261 Join date : 2010-04-12
| Subject: Re: Officers of the 80th Regiment. Sat Nov 16, 2013 5:12 pm | |
| Contact those on the link posted by ulundi. Pose the question to them. I'm sure they would know! |
| | | John Young
Posts : 3315 Join date : 2013-09-08 Age : 68 Location : Слава Україні! Героям слава!
| Subject: Re: Officers of the 80th Regiment. Sat Nov 16, 2013 5:16 pm | |
| Pascal,
Is there a photograph in Brave Men's Blood which is in the author's collection Page 170 (bottom) that seems to show this.
I suggest you contact Ian Knight to ask him.
John Y.
Last edited by John Young on Sun Nov 17, 2013 1:42 pm; edited 1 time in total (Reason for editing : wrong page number given.) |
| | | Guest Guest
| Subject: Re: Officers of the 80th Regiment. Sat Nov 16, 2013 7:53 pm | |
| On their website the reenactors of the soldiers of the 80 th, were wearing the old style 1872 pattern frock with single -loop cuff design like the 99 th at the battle of Nyezane or part of the 1/13 th at Kambula (after Monsieur JY) ??? |
| | | 24th
Posts : 1862 Join date : 2009-03-25
| Subject: Re: Officers of the 80th Regiment. Sat Nov 16, 2013 8:46 pm | |
| Where's Jim these days seeing his name above reminded me we haven't seen him for a while. Anyone heard from him. |
| | | John
Posts : 2558 Join date : 2009-04-06 Age : 62 Location : UK
| Subject: Re: Officers of the 80th Regiment. Sat Nov 16, 2013 10:12 pm | |
| Good point. Haven't heard from him. |
| | | Guest Guest
| Subject: Re: Officers of the 80th Regiment. Sat Nov 16, 2013 10:54 pm | |
| looked at BMB, 170, 80th chopping wood, not enough definition. sorry, but a very interesting point, it seems unusual, why the leather pad's.official issue or make do and mend. sorry Loic, maybe mr Knight, xhosa |
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| Subject: Re: Officers of the 80th Regiment. Sun Nov 17, 2013 7:42 am | |
| My dear Lester
There are only IK speaking these shoulder straps replaced by leather pads.
And he was there very long
I do not even see how they look!
Pascal the Rascal |
| | | John Young
Posts : 3315 Join date : 2013-09-08 Age : 68 Location : Слава Україні! Героям слава!
| Subject: Re: Officers of the 80th Regiment. Sun Nov 17, 2013 1:48 pm | |
| Pascal, - Pascal wrote:
- On their website the reenactors of the soldiers of the 80 th, were wearing the old style 1872 pattern frock with single -loop cuff design like the 99 th at the battle of Nyezane or part of the 1/13 th at Kambula
But on the old pattern serge frock, the pre-1874 pattern, the facing colour went all around the collar not as it appears on the 8oth re-enactor's site. Les, Look at bottom image rather than the top image on page 170, (I've amended it on my original posting.) the unit wrongly identified as 24th are actually 80th. Officer seated on the ground to the left of the tent pole as you look at it, and the officer seated in a chair fifth figure from the right appear to have a broad stripe of something on their left shoulders. JY |
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| Subject: Re: Officers of the 80th Regiment. Sun Nov 17, 2013 2:01 pm | |
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| Subject: Re: Officers of the 80th Regiment. Sun Nov 17, 2013 3:28 pm | |
| yes JY got that, you can plainly see the stripe.. |
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| Subject: Re: Officers of the 80th Regiment. Sun Nov 17, 2013 3:32 pm | |
| https://s1297.photobucket.com/user/xhosa2000/media/officersofthe80th1879_zpsa9edef89.jpg.html?sort=3&o=4 |
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| Subject: Re: Officers of the 80th Regiment. Sun Nov 17, 2013 3:45 pm | |
| It is indistinguishable, what is a shoulder straps completely in leather ? |
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| Subject: Re: Officers of the 80th Regiment. Thu Nov 28, 2013 5:03 pm | |
| After the Research Team of the 80 th ,the most likely explanation is that a small patch of leather was worn on the shoulder under the epaulet to avoid wear and tear caused by shoulder straps. This would be a local campaign decision and would most likely be removed when the regiment reached Ireland, post 2nd Zulu War.
Cheers
Rascal
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| Subject: Re: Officers of the 80th Regiment. Fri Nov 29, 2013 11:01 pm | |
| why the leather pad's.official issue or make do and mend. xhosa.. pascal, see my post above, maybe it was ' make do and mend ' but the research team of the Staff's, will give an opinion, patience, cheers xhosa |
| | | sas1
Posts : 627 Join date : 2009-01-20 Age : 46
| Subject: Re: Officers of the 80th Regiment. Sun Dec 01, 2013 12:05 am | |
| - xhosa2000 wrote:
- https://s1297.photobucket.com/user/xhosa2000/media/officersofthe80th1879_zpsa9edef89.jpg.html?sort=3&o=4
Link to Image isn't working. |
| | | Guest Guest
| Subject: Re: Officers of the 80th Regiment. Sun Dec 01, 2013 12:10 am | |
| sorry, sas1, i delete after a short while, i'm happy to post again if you wish. cheers mate xhosa |
| | | Guest Guest
| Subject: Re: Officers of the 80th Regiment. Mon Dec 02, 2013 11:21 am | |
| My first question:
Officers of the 80 th Regiment appear to have worn shoulder straps replaced by leather pads in the zulu war .
Response of a connoisseur :
I have no details of this uniform feature. What is your source and is it anything more than the possibility that the pads were a repair to a damaged jacket.
Cheers
Pascal
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| Subject: Re: Officers of the 80th Regiment. Mon Dec 02, 2013 11:23 am | |
| My second question:
What is that thing ?
Response of a connoisseur :
Again we need to find the original source to identify this non-standard item
Cheers
Pascal |
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| Subject: Re: Officers of the 80th Regiment. Mon Dec 02, 2013 11:27 am | |
| My third question:
A Isandhwana,the uniforms of the mounted infantry of the 24th are brand new... Those of the 2/24 th are still in good condition ... But the soldiers of 1/24 th are in rags ,ditto for the uniforms of the 1st/13th L.I. and 90 th L.I.to Kambula.
Response of a connoisseur:
What is your source for this -
Cheers
Pascal
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| Subject: Re: Officers of the 80th Regiment. Mon Dec 02, 2013 1:03 pm | |
| My fourth question:
But the 80 th uniforms, were in any state during the Zulu War, they were also in tatters ?
Response of a connoisseur:
Are these uniform details from a source of any relevance or simply an arbitrary artist making up something for show.
Cheers
Pascal |
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