Pte David Jenkins. 'Forgotten' Survivor of Rorke's Drift Returned to Official Records

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Pascal MAHE wrote:: When is it wrong, to present ?

It's not, but it's better to wait and see the results before making comments!

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In Chards report posted by Impi. 2 days after the battle, surly as DB states he would have remembered the name of the man who saved hs life, yet there s no mention of the incident!

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Its been said many times on this discussion"

"Julian has stated that this 'So-called Chard Roll' was produced by someone else, and anyone who has seen John Chard's signature can tell at a glance it isn't his own on that roll"

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That's better I can read it now!

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Mon Jun 24, 2013 8:32 pm
Its been said many times on this discussion"

"Julian has stated that this 'So-called Chard Roll' was produced by someone else, and anyone who has seen John Chard's signature can tell at a glance it isn't his own on that roll"

Have I missed something scratch

I though the discussion ws now aimed at Chards report 25th Jan 1878.

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Chelmsfordthescapegoat wrote:: That's better I can read it now!

DrummerBoy 16
Mon Jun 24, 2013 8:32 pm
Its been said many times on this discussion"

"Julian has stated that this 'So-called Chard Roll' was produced by someone else, and anyone who has seen John Chard's signature can tell at a glance it isn't his own on that roll"

Have I missed something I though the discussion ws now aimed at Chards report 25th Jan 1878.

The Chard report which was written two days after the event, is the one to take notice of.
It's a true account of what chard knew, and it appears as expected he didn't know who was at RD.
Any of those who arrived with Chelmsford could have claimed to have been there. The fact that most of the fighting took place at night, makes it even more difficult to established who was there based the fact that any roll call would have been taken whilest those who took part in the defence
was mingling with Chelmsford relief column.

I stand by what I say, and that being JW will not be able to provide anything that we don't already know. I expect there will be a delay in publication. Or it won't go ahead.

PS not being disrespectful. Just keen to be corrected. Either way willing to learn!

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When your not in procession of the real facts. Because there are none?

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Gents getting on in age. I'm getting a bit lost with this?

So cut to the chase. Jenkins by all accounts should have been with Rainforths company. It is said he was sent to the rear? As prisoner escort or as a prisoner?. Where was the rear? Because as far as I'm concerned RD and Isandlwana would have been the front! So if anyone can explain in laymans terms in would be appricated. Please don't say read the previous post, I have several time and I'm still none the wiser? scratch

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Hi OH2

There are two possible options:

1. A party from G Coy 1/24th was sent forward to Sihayo's Homestead to pick up prisoners when the main column moved on to Isandlwana and naturally returned through the drift.

2. The Drift was the field hospital for the column (or for 1/24th). A party from G Coy came down from Helpmekaar with some sick and injured personnel. Wasn't 25B/841 - a patient - in G Coy?

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What's confusing is the "Rear & Front" RD for all intents and purposes would have been the front. Can't see why they would have been sending sick men to the front. Helpmekaar would have been a better place.

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OH2

RD was where the doctor 1/24th + 4 of his team were located. According to the Ultimatum, the front was the river - was it not?

25B/841 Pte James Jenkins did not walk down from Helpmekaar on his own.

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impi wrote:: The Chard report which was written two days after the event, is the one to take notice of.

And in that report he records, as I have mentioned before, the following:

JRM CHARD wrote:: 1st Battalion 24th Regiment: 6 non-commissioned officers and men, 5 sick non-commissioned officers and men: total 11.

Which you have suddenly made ten, somehow!

Now my theory as to why John Chard didn't record the incident with Jenkins in his official report. I take the members of the forum are aware that John Chard was already unwell during the Defence of Rorke's Drift. So ill was he afterwards that his death was wrongly reported, it would be May 1879 before recovered when he was posted to Wood's Flying Column. Whilst recovering in Ladysmith I imagine he had time to reflect on the events of 22nd-23rd January 1879 and put all the pieces of the puzzle together in what would become his report to Queen Victoria in person, which includes the mention of Private Jenkins. Just my theory as I say.

Kenny,

In response to your comment re-Norman Holmes, I fully understand that as well.

'Jimu

The 'Front was the most advanced post. The 'Rear' could be construed as any point behind that but I would assume that in fact the 'Rear' would be any depot behind the front line and as RD was a storage and holding facility it could be described as 'The Rear', as could Helpmakar really. Then from Helpmakaar PMB would be described as the rear. So it depends on the perspective your looking from.

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So he could have been at Isandlwana, and sent back to RD

Subject: Pte David Jenkins Tue Jun 25, 2013 12:58 pm

Hi OH.

Springy is correct. The 'Front' in this case would be iSandlwana, the 'Rear' would be anywhere behind there, ie; RD, Helpmekaar, etc, etc.

David Jenkins was with the escort party sent to the 'Rear', they were at RD when the zulus attacked. David Jenkins fought alongside his mates on the wall at RD, he gave Chard the duck down warning, thus saving Chard's life.

Chard mentions this in his account, this account can be found on the rdvc site, under 'Chard's report to Queen Victoria'. The account that impi posted is from 'The London Gazette', it doesn't show the Jenkins 'duck down' account, so go to the rdvc site and read the whole report on there.

'Jimu is correct, Chard was ill at the time, and whilst recovering at Ladysmith he would have had time to reflect on the happenings at RD, and thus included the mention of Pte Jenkins in his report to Queen Victoria.

Hope this helps. Salute

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Mr M. Cooper wrote:: Hi OH.

Springy is correct. The 'Front' in this case would be iSandlwana, the 'Rear' would be anywhere behind there, ie; RD, Helpmekaar, etc, etc.

David Jenkins was with the escort party sent to the 'Rear', they were at RD when the zulus attacked. David Jenkins fought alongside his mates on the wall at RD, he gave Chard the duck down warning, thus saving Chard's life.

Chard mentions this in his account, this account can be found on the rdvc site, under 'Chard's report to Queen Victoria'. The account that impi posted is from 'The London Gazette', it doesn't show the Jenkins 'duck down' account, so go to the rdvc site and read the whole report on there.

'Jimu is correct, Chard was ill at the time, and whilst recovering at Ladysmith he would have had time to reflect on the happenings at RD, and thus included the mention of Pte Jenkins in his report to Queen Victoria.

Hope this helps.

:p;::p;::p;::p;::p;::p;::p;::p;::p;: Nothing but speculation? Chard was ill and had time to reflect?

The one posted by impi, is the correct one. The one on the other site has been messed about!!

Subject: Pte David Jenkins Tue Jun 25, 2013 4:32 pm

John.

Speculation you say, so 'Jimu is wrong is he?

'Jimu also said that "The Chard report is governed by Crown copyright, it is housed in the Royal Archive at Windsor. However, it's available online at the rdvc site".

I have read this account, and it does not appear to have been "messed about" as you call it, so if you believe that it has, are you saying that they have infringed Crown copyright?

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impi wrote:: Rorke's Drift

25th January, 1879.

SIR,
I HAVE the honour to report that on the 22nd instant I was left in command at Rorke's Drift by Major Spalding, who went to Helpmakaar to hurry in the company 24th regiment ordered to protect the ponts.
About 3.15 p.m. on that day, I was at the ponts when two men came riding from Zululand at a gallop, and shouted to be taken across the river.
I was informed by one of them, Lieutenant Adenhdorff of Lonsdale's regiment (who remained to assist in the defence) of the disaster at Isandlwana camp, and that the Zulus were advancing on Rorke's Drift. The other, a carabineer, rode off to take the news to Helpmakaar.
Almost immediately I received a message from Lieutenant Bromhead, commanding the company 24th Regiment at the camp near the commissariat stores, asking me to come up at once.
I gave the order to inspan, strike tents, put all stores, &c., into the wagon, and at once rode up to the commissariat store and found that a note had been received from the 3rd column to state that the enemy were advancing in force against our post, which we were to strengthen and hold at all costs.
Lieutenant Bromhead was most actively engaged in loopholing and barricading the store building and hospital, and connecting the defence of the two buildings by walls of mealie bags and two wagons that were on the ground. I held a hurried consultation with him and with Mr. Dalton, of the Commissariat (who was actively superintending the work of defence, and whom I cannot sufficiently thank for his most valuable services) entirely approving of the arrangements made. I went round the position, and then went down to the ponts and brought up the guard of 1 sergeant and 6 men, wagon, &c. I desire here
to mention the offer of the punt-man Daniels and Sergeant Milne, 3rd Buffs, to move the punts in the middle of the stream, and defend them from their decks with a few men. We arrived at the post about 3.30 p.m. Shortly after an officer of Durnford's Horse arrived and asked for orders. I requested him to send a detachment to observe the drifts and punts and throw out outposts in the direction of the enemy and check his advance as much as possible, falling back upon the post when forced to retire and assist in its defence.
I requested Lieutenant Bromhead to post his men; and having seen his and every man at his post, the work once more went on.
About 4.20 p.m. the sound of firing was heardbehind the hill to our south. The officer of Durnford's returned, reporting the enemy close upon us, and that his men would not obey his orders, but were going off to Helpmakaar, and I saw them, apparently about 100 in number, going off in that direction.
About the same time Captain Stephenson's detachment of Natal Native Contingent left us, as did that officer himself.
I saw that our line of defence was too extended for the small number of men now left us, and at once commenced a retrenchment of biscuit boxes.
We had not completed a wall 2 boxes high when, about 4.30 p.m., 500 or 600 of the enemy came in sight around the hill to our south, and advanced at a run against the south wall. They were met by a well-sustained fire but, notwithstanding their heavy loss, continued the advance to within 50 yards of the wall, when they were met with such a heavy fire from the wall and cross fire from the store that they were checked, but taking advantage of the cover afforded by
the cookhouse, ovens, &c., kept up a heavy fire. The greater number, however, without stopping, moved to the left, around the hospital, and made a rush at our N.W. wall of mealie bags, but after a short but desperate struggle were driven back with heavy loss into the bush around the work.
The main body of the enemy were close behind, and had lined the ledge of rock and caves overlooking us about 400 yards to our south, from where they kept up a constant fire, and advancing somewhat more to their left than the first attack, occupied the garden, hollow road and bush in great force.
Taking advantage of the bush, which we had not time to cut down, the enemy were able to advance under cover close to our wall, and in this part soon held one side of the wall, while we held the other. A series of desperate assaults were made, extending from the hospital, along the wall, as far as the bush reached; but each was most splendidly met and repulsed by our men with the bayonet, Corporal Schiess, N.N.C., greatly distinguishing himself by his conspicuous
gallantry.
The fire from the rocks behind us, though badly directed, took us completely in reverse, and was so heavy that we suffered very severely, and about 6 p.m. were forced to retire behind the retrenchment of biscuit boxes.
All this time the enemy had been attempting to force the hospital, and shortly after set fire to its roof.
The garrison of the hospital defended it room by room, bringing out all the sick who could be moved before they retired. Privates Williams, Hook, R. Jones and W. Jones, 24th Regiment, being the last men to leave, holding the doorway with the bayonet, their own ammunition being expended. From the want of interior communication and the burning of the house it was impossible to save all. With most heartfelt sorrow
I regret we could not save these poor fellows from their terrible fate.
Seeing the hospital burning and the desperate attempts of the enemy to fire the roof of the stores, we converted two mealie bag heaps in to a sort of redoubt, which gave a second line of fire all round; Assistant Commissary Dunne working hard at this, though much exposed, and rendering valuable assistance.
As darkness came on we were completely surrounded, and after several attempts had been gallantly repulsed, were eventually forced to retire to the middle, and then inner wall of the Kraal on our East. The position we then had we retained throughout.
A desultory fire was kept up all night, and several assaults were attempted and repulsed; the vigour of the attack continuing until after midnight, and men firing with the greatest coolness did not waste a single shot; the light afforded by the burning hospital being of great help to us.
About 4 a.m. 23rd instant, the firing ceased, and at daybreak the enemy were out of sight over the hill to the south-west.
We patrolled the grounds, collecting the arms of the dead Zulus, and strengthened our defences as much as possible.
We were removing the thatch from the roof of the stores, when about 7 a.m. a large body of the enemy appeared on the hills to the south-west.
I sent a friendly Kafir, who had come in shortly before, with a note to the Officer Commanding at Helpmakaar asking for help.
About 8 a.m. the third column appeared in sight, the enemy who had been gradually advancing, falling back as they approached.
I consider the enemy who attacked us to have numbered about 3,000 (three thousand).
We killed about 350 (three hundred and fifty).
Of the steadiness and gallant behaviour of the whole garrison I cannot speak too highly.
I wish especially to bring to your notice the conduct of:—
Lieutenant Bromhead, 2nd Battalion 24th Regiment, and the splendid behaviour of his Company B, 2nd Battalion 24th Regiment.
Surgeon Reynolds, A. M. D., in his constant attention to the wounded, under fire where they fell.
Acting Commissariat Officer Dalton, to whose energy much of our defences were due, and who was severely wounded while gallantly assisting in the defence.
Assistant Commissary Dunne.
Acting Store Keeper Byrne (killed)
Colour-Sergeant Bourne, 2nd Battalion 24th Regiment.
Sergeant Williams, 2nd Battalion 24th Regiment (wounded dangerously).
Sergeant Windridge, 2nd Battalion 24th Regiment.
Corporal Schiess, 2nd Battalion 3rd Natal Native Contingent (wounded).
1395 Private Williams, 2nd Battalion 24th Regiment.
593 Private Jones, 2nd Battalion 24th Regiment.
Private McMahon, Army Hospital Corps.
716 Private R. Jones, 2nd Battalion 24th Regiment.
Private H. Hook.
Private Roy, 1st Battalion 24th Regiment.
The following return shows the number present at Rorke's Drift, January 22nd, 1879 :—
Staff, 1 Non-Commissioned Officer and Men, total 1.
Royal Artillery, 1 Non-Commissioned Officer and Men, 3 sick Non-Commissioned and Men, total 4.
Royal Engineers, 1 Officer, 1 Non-Commissioned Officer and Men, total 2.
3rd Buffs, 1 Non-Commissioned, Officer and Men, total 1.
1st Battalion 24th Regiment, 6 Non-Commissioned Officers and Men, 5 sick Non-Commissioned Officers and Men, total 11.
2nd Battalion 24th Regiment, B Company, 17 casuals sick, 1 Officer, 81 Non-Commissioned Officers and Men, 17 sick Non-Commissioned Officers and Men, total 99.
90th Light Infantry,? Non-Commissioned Officer and man sick.
Commissariat and Transport Department, 3 Officers. 1 Non-Commissioned Officer and men, total 4.
Army Medical Department, 1 Officer, 3 Non-Commissioned Officers and Men, total 4.
Chaplains, 1 Officer, total 1.
Natal Mounted Police, 3 sick Non-Commissioned Officers and Men, total 3.
Natal Native Contingent, Officer, 6 sick Non-Commissioned Officers and Men, total 7.
Ferryman, 1 Non-Commissioned Officer and Men, total 1.
Total.—8 officers, 96 Non-Commisioned Officers and Men, 35 Non-Commissioned Officers and Men sick, total 139.
The following is a list of the killed:—
Sergeant Maxfield, 2nd Battalion 24th Regiment.
Private Scanlan.
Private Hayden.
Private Adams.
Private Cole.
Private Fagan.
Private Chick.
1398 Private Williams, 2nd Battalion, 24th Regiment.
Private Nicolls, 1st Battalion, 24th Regiment.
Private Horrigan, 1st Battalion, 24th Regiment.
Jenkins, 1st Battalion, 24th Regiment.
M. Byrne, Commissariat Department.
Trooper Hunter, Natal Mounted Police.
Trooper Anderson, N.N.C.
1 Private (Native) N.N.C.
Total 15.
12 wounded of whom two have since died,
viz.:—
Sergeant Williams, 2nd Battalion, 24th Regiment.
Private Beckett, 1st Battalion, 24th Regiment.
making a total killed of 17.
Herewith is appended a plan of the buildings, showing our lines of defence. The points of the compass referred to in this report are, as shewn in sketch, approximately magnetic.

I have, &c.,
(Signed) JOHN R, M. CHARD,
Lieutenant R. E

To Colonel Glyn, C.B.,
Commanding 3rd Column.

Look at the Date Martin. Just because it doesn't mentioned Jenkins, its doesn't make it wrong. Chard was asked to write a report. And by all accounts, Chard was to ill to reflect on anything other than getting out of RD.

Subject: Pte David Jenkins Tue Jun 25, 2013 5:24 pm

impi.

Yes, Chard was very ill, so the report you posted (The London Gazette), was nowhere near as long as the one he wrote personally for the Queen.

Queen Victoria wanted a personal account from Chard, and that is why Chard included much more detail in the account that he wrote for the Queen, including the 'Pte Jenkins' incident.

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Impi

You wish to be an expert - then read The Noble 24th by Norman Holme (pages 270-278) - it is the account that Chard wrote for HM dated 21 February 1880 which contains the reference to 'Jenkins'. Not that dated 25 January 1879.

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Do you not agreed that an important event. Like someone saving your life would not go unnoticed in your report.

It's not something you would remember later and add it.

Subject: Pte David Jenkins Tue Jun 25, 2013 11:13 pm

impi.

You have mentioned it before in your previous post, ie; "Chard was too ill to reflect on anything other than getting out of RD".

And you are right, it is a very important event having your life saved, that is why he incuded this fact in his personal report to H.M. Queen Victoria, so that she could read for herself (before anyone else) the bravery of men like Pte David Jenkins. He most likely wanted to inform her personally in his private report to her (that she personally requested from him), and maybe that is why it's not mentioned in the earlier account in 'The London Gazette' newspaper.

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Chard was ill after the Battle not during, and certainly not when he wrote his first report 25th Jan, that being the one that counts.

Chard would not have known that he would be required to make a personal report to the Queen.

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Kenny wrote:: Impi

You wish to be an expert - then read The Noble 24th by Norman Holme (pages 270-278) - it is the account that Chard wrote for HM dated 21 February 1880 which contains the reference to 'Jenkins'. Not that dated 25 January 1879.

I'm not claiming to be a expert, never have done! Guess we see things in a different way. The fact that the report you mention was written over a year after the event is neither near or there?

Subject: Pte David Jenkins Tue Jun 25, 2013 11:39 pm

impi.

Read the post by Kwajimu bottom of page 35, Chard was unwell DURING the battle.

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Mr M. Cooper wrote:: impi.

Read the post by Kwajimu bottom of page 35, Chard was unwell DURING the battle.

Rubbish.

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Impi,

I take it by your comment 'rubbish' you are unaware of the fact Chard was suffering at the time of the battle?

Sorry to inform you it is not 'rubbish'. He had an inoculation at Durban, soon after landing, which had gone wrong and would lead to a fever that nearly killed him. Hardly rubbish but fact!

Why don't you answer the question I have repeatedly posed you, how does the 11 in the 25th January 1879 report, that you keep banging on about, become 10 in your method of reckoning?

'Jimu

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Major Chard was struck down with enteric fever and was sent to Ladysmith, by ambulance, on I7th.February,1879,where he was nursed back to good health by a Dr. and Nrs.Hyde.

Holmes was accused of missing information on the roll re: Jenkins perhaps he got this wrong as well. You can't have it always. I have never heard of Chard being ill during the battle. What source did Holmes used, should say in his book.

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Impi

The report on the 25th was just a general overveiw of what happened, he hardly mentions any people by name or individual acts.

The report to the queen was a full account where he had time to write about anything he wanted.

Cheers

Ps. Chard's death was reported wrongly in papers becuase he was very ill, its in most the books on RD.

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YES ANDJULIAN DISCOVERED EVIDENCE THAT THE PRIVATE JENKINS WAS DEFINITELY at RORKE'S DRIFT! THEY WILL BE IN THE SECOND VOLUME of "Studies in the Zulu War in 1879" :p;::p;::p;:

Subject: Pte David Jenkins Wed Jun 26, 2013 12:46 pm

Spot on DB.

The report of the 25th was mainly a military report for military purposes. The Queen personally requested a much more elaborate account from Chard, and he obliged by writing her a report that was much more detailed than the one on the 25th, and the account he wrote for the Queen included the 'duck down Sir' action by Pte David Jenkins that saved Chard's life.

agree

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I would be very sceptical of any report that was written a year after the event. Even if it is under Crown Copyright.

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Exact, propaganda!

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John

Wouldn't that cover all most every report on the Zulu War Question

Cheers

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Best to keep an open mind! Rather than taking everything as gospel.
There have been discussions in the past, where something is quoted, and the member who posted it, is told is not reliable as it was taken sometime after the incident.

Chard never knew half of the men he fought along side. Same as half the men didn't. Perhaps Chard had some help making his report. Looks good in the papers doesn't upset civilians at there breakfast Suspect

And if we "ALL" take everything as gospel, there really wouldn't be no point in discussion forums. Would there!

Lucky we have Wolfs and Sheep on this forum. Those that follow and those that lead.

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Thing is, Chard would not have known David Jenkins existed if he was not at the battle, so how unless he made
up his name ? He can hardly confuse him with someone if you've never met them !

Cheers

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God Sake! Will some please show me where Chard states
"Pte David Jenkins" Mad

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Dave they are fixated by JW.

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But Chard and Jenkins came back on the same ship - the Egypt - which arrived at Spithead on 2 October 1879. Chard's account for HM was produced after he returned to UK. Remember me? - I saved your life.

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Dave

Its in Chards report to Queen Victoria and this is in most books on RD, Snooks LWOTF has the full account.

Cheers

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Kenny wrote:: But Chard and Jenkins came back on the same ship - the Egypt - which arrived at Spithead on 2 October 1879. Chard's account for HM was produced after he returned to UK. Remember me? - I saved your life.

Must have been a awkward situation for Chard. As it would be for anyone in that situation. And he still didn't appear on the rolls.

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Impi

Again this has been said many times

Chard said 11 people of the 1/24th were at RD, we know the names of 10 of them, who was the 11th ?

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Dave,

Wolves or sheep who cares!

But when you cut & paste make so the person you are copying knows what they are writing - look at the full text on the site where you got:

Dave wrote:: Major Chard was struck down with enteric fever and was sent to Ladysmith, by ambulance, on I7th.February,1879,where he was nursed back to good health by a Dr. and Nrs.Hyde.

It is riddled with mistakes - trustworthy I don't believe so?

'Jimu

Subject: Pte David Jenkins Wed Jun 26, 2013 11:52 pm

Doubters.

There were TWO Pte Jenkins at RD, if you don't think that one of them was Pte David Jenkins, then who do you think that the other Pte Jenkins was who was at RD and is also shown on 'the Chard roll', and which Pte Jenkins do you think Chard was talking about (with regard to saving his life), when he wrote out his report to the Queen?

You seem ready enough to dismiss or rubbish all the evidence, but you never say who you think the other Pte Jenkins was that is shown on 'the Chard roll', so come on, give us all a clue as to who you think this other Pte Jenkins was.

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Mr M. Cooper wrote:: Doubters.

There were TWO Pte Jenkins at RD, if you don't think that one of them was Pte David Jenkins, then who do you think that the other Pte Jenkins was who was at RD and is also shown on 'the Chard roll', and which Pte Jenkins do you think Chard was talking about (with regard to saving his life), when he wrote out his report to the Queen?

You seem ready enough to dismiss or rubbish all the evidence, but you never say who you think the other Pte Jenkins was that is shown on 'the Chard roll', so come on, give us all a clue as to who you think this other Pte Jenkins was.

It's more than obvious that you are not reading the posts in this discussion, your just posting for the sake of it. You fire off the same questions time and time again. stuttering Martin the Joker

Time to lock down.

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