Helpmakaar

Subject: Helpmakaar Thu Oct 24, 2013 8:44 am

Hi Guys
Terrible pun but I need Helpmakaar.

Im trying to compile a list of names of European suvivors that manned the defences on the night of the 22nd.
Essex has said he had 25 Europeans and 10 volunteers.
I have two lists, Confirmed and Possibles.

Confirmed means they are actually mentioned by another source present.
Possibles means they were on there way but maybe veared of else where.

Confirmed

Stevenson
Purvis
Higginson
Gardner
Essex
Smith Dorrien
Curling
Cochrane
Macphail
Moodie
Millward
Clements
Hayes
Dorehill
Harry Davies
Barker
Edwards
Raw
Vause
Sibthorpe
Tarboton
Hay
Royston
Stafford
Henderson
Muirhead
Erskine

Possibles

Vaines
Fletcher
Granger

If anyone could add to the list, with a confirming source I would appreciate it.

Cheers

Subject: Re: Helpmakaar Thu Oct 24, 2013 10:15 am

Didn't Gardner leave to warn Wood. Question

Subject: Re: Helpmakaar Thu Oct 24, 2013 10:27 am

Pete
Ive included him because I don't know at what time Essex did his count. Im assuming it was early as later in the evening various farmers started arriving so skewing the figures.
But yes your right he did leave, as a matter of fact so did Higginson, with a sore eye! Later as well Macphail and Moodie left.
With all of that im assuming the count was made when Essex started to take stock.

Cheers

Subject: Re: Helpmakaar Thu Oct 24, 2013 10:36 am

Springbok,

For Cochran above, read Cochrane.

How about W. B. Erskine, given that he was wounded?

Who is Royston?

Apart from the Imperial officers you haven't mention any other Imperial troops, as we know Private T. Westwood, 80th (Staffordshire Volunteers) Regiment, of No. 1 Squadron, Mounted Infantry, was treated by Dugald Blair Brown, A.M.D. at Helpmekaar.

Regards,

JY

Subject: Re: Helpmakaar Thu Oct 24, 2013 10:53 am

Hi John
There was a Lt Royston quoted in Stalker." Had it not been for Lt Royston who stuck to the corps through thick and thin....." unnamed source quoting. Must admit ive never come across the name either, at least not in that context. He went on to be Lt Col by the way.
I have just come across Erskines comfirmation in the statement by Symons, so will add to the list.

Subject: Re: Helpmakaar Thu Oct 24, 2013 11:06 am

John
From Regimental Order 26th November 1878
The corps being ordered out by His Excellency the Lt Governor, members will parade in heavy marching order on the Market Square at 9am on Friday 29inst.
The list of troops follows, included is Lt and Adjt W. Royston.

On the possibles list now is Cpl Merryweather

Cheers

Subject: Re: Helpmakaar Thu Oct 24, 2013 8:23 pm

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Subject: Re: Helpmakaar Thu Oct 24, 2013 9:09 pm

Springbok,

I'm pretty certain that William Royston was with Captain Theophilus Shepstone Jr., who along with twenty-seven other-ranks of the Natal Carbineers were out with Lord Chelmsford.

I'm sure he is mentioned in the Fred Symons' account.

Regards,

JY

Subject: Helpmakaar Fri Oct 25, 2013 2:04 am

Hi Frank .
I seem to think Royston was out with LC . I couldnt find any evidence , I had a quick search but sure I've read of it previously .
Cheers 90th You need to study mo

Subject: Helpmakaar Fri Oct 25, 2013 2:14 am

Hi Frank.
Royston was indeed out with Dartnell according to Rev Stalker in his book '' Natal Carbinners '' , the trouble with compiling lists , and Julian would know this first hand , is , many of the records are not precise in dealing with AZW .
Cheers 90th You need to study mo

Subject: Re: Helpmakaar Fri Oct 25, 2013 6:45 am

Thanks for that.
Royston was definitely at Helpmakaar must have arrived at a later date.

Thanks LH, great help.

Cheers

Subject: Re: Helpmakaar Fri Oct 25, 2013 7:57 am

Gentlemen thank you for your assistance, the object of this exercise was to locate one particular person, that's now been achieved.
See: Cpt DM Smythe topic.

Cheers

Subject: Helpmakaar Fri Oct 25, 2013 8:18 am

Hi Springy .
If you dont have Harold Raugh Jnr's ' Anglo - Zulu War , A Selected Bibliography ' you should do , I found this for you on page 144 . Articles ; Alexander , Graham . '' The Defence of Helpmekaar ''. Journal of the AZW Historical society 19 ( june 2006 ) . This article attempts to trace and name those soldiers who survived the battle of isandlwana , 22 january 1879 , and fled to the ostensible safety of Helpmekaar the same day . Sorry I dont have the hard copy , but you can read it online if your a member . This may add a few names to your list . I'll keep going through Raugh's book as I was looking for info on D.M.Smythe when I found the above information .
Cheers 90th. Salute

Subject: Re: Helpmakaar Fri Oct 25, 2013 8:23 am

Hi 90th
Yep that was the essay that pointed me in the right direction. See the Smythe string.

Cheers

Subject: Helpmekaar Fri Oct 25, 2013 8:36 am

Hi Springy .
So that means you have the Raugh publication ? . I can put mine away as I'm up to page 328 !
As an aside Royston , or Galloping Jack as he became known , was best known for having commanded Australian
Light Horse Units in the Palestine Campaign of WW1 . Very Happy

Cheers 90th.

Subject: Re: Helpmakaar Fri Oct 25, 2013 9:05 am

sent you an e mail

cheers

Subject: Re: Helpmakaar Fri Oct 25, 2013 5:07 pm

90th,

Galloping Jack John Robinson Royston was in the Isipingo Mounted Rifles, and he later served in the Natal Volunteer Guides.

There's already a thread on him:
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William Royston remained with the Natal Carbineers until his death from disease in 2nd Anglo-Boer War.

JY

Subject: Re: Helpmakaar Fri Oct 25, 2013 6:30 pm

Come on 90th, your obvisouly to busy or getting old?

Subject: Helmekaar Fri Oct 25, 2013 11:25 pm

Littlehand I maybe , but what are you talking about ? , if its Royston commanding the Light Horse it's from Raugh's ' A select Bibliography of the azw ' ? . please enlighten me of your puzzling post re - me ??.

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Look at JY post! A reply to yours!

Subject: Helpmekaar Fri Oct 25, 2013 11:51 pm

Impi
It was a REPLY to mine I dont get the point that littlehand is making ! , I only posted it as an aside for Springbok , I do realise that Royston has been covered , but as I said it was a throw away fact for Springbok ! Rolling Eyes

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'' Old '' 90th ! Hhahahahaha.

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Perhaps is was misinterpreted. Rolling Eyes

Subject: Helmekaar Sat Oct 26, 2013 12:08 am

Most likely . Shocked

Subject: Re: Helpmakaar Sat Oct 26, 2013 10:37 am

90th,

You haven't twig it, have you?

I'll pm you.

JY

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