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| I'd say at this moment in time 135 yrs ago , which is currently 12.08 pm in old Zululand things were certainly starting to happen , Durnford is possibly on his way back from his surprise encounter with the left horn , if not , he's soon going to run into it !. 90th ![Shocked](https://2img.net/i/fa/i/smiles/icon_eek.gif) |
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| Morning 90th Your times are out. Its now 11:47 in SA, using Keith Smiths Essay Durnford would have met up with the two Carbineers around about now and the Left horn in a few minutes time.
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| Thanks Springy No wonder I'm mixed up , looking at the time in the UK for the Wallis Auction , watching the 20 / 20 , and thinking of the time in Sth Africa , I've got a headache ! 90th |
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| Im struggling to get my card accepted for the Auction. |
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| That may be a good thing , I think the prices realised may be inflated because of the unprecedented coverage in all forms of the media ! . Cheers 90th |
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| The prices are pretty out of reach translated into rands |
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| The attack is just starting to develop. Round about here that my 'Last Survivors' story kicks in. |
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| I'd say the battle is now in full swing , bloody hell , so is the David Smith Auction , Lot 54 at the Wallis Auction , the Stabbing spear engraved as coming from Ulundi went for 6,000 GBP's !!!!! , Sergio steady on man ! LOL. GULP . Cheers 90th. |
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| The battle is virtually over, the fugitives still going down the trail. Possibly Anstey still fighting on the Manzimyama. Chard busy writing letters in his tent, Reynolds, Smith climbing the hill. Rorkes Drift men having a nap after eating lunch. Melvill and Coghill about to cross the Mzinyathi at Fugitives Drift. |
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| Remembering all those that were K.I.A 22nd / 23rd Jan 1879. 135th Anniversary. KILLED IN ACTION. Nyezane drift Private J. Bough, 2nd Battalion 3rd Foot. Private J. Kelleher, 2nd Battalion 3rd Foot. Lieutenant J. L. Raines, N.N.C. Lieutenant G. Platterer, N.N.C. Sergeant Emil Unger, N.N.C. Corporal W. Tieper, N.N.C. Corporal E. Miller, N.N.C. Corporal Carl Goesch, N.N.C. WOUNDED. Private Peter Dunn, 2nd Battalion 3rd Foot, since dead. Private J. Corteel, 2nd Battalion 3rd Foot. Private F. Smith, 2nd Battalion 3rd Foot. Private F. Clifford, 2nd Battalion 3rd Foot. Private H. Walker, 2nd Battalion 3rd Foot Quartermaster - Sergeant Kelly, Musketry- Instructor, 90th Foot. Private W. Devenport, Musketry Instructor, 2nd Battalion 24th Foot. H. Gosling, A.B., Naval Brigade. G. Berryman, O.S., Naval Brigade. G. Doran, O.S., Naval Brigade. T. Butler, A.B., Naval Brigade. E. White, O.S., Naval Brigade. Krooman, Jack Ropeyarn, O.S., Naval Brigade Ducklewis, O.S., Naval Brigade. Lieutenant H. Webb, N.N.C. Sergeant O. Aeydenburg, N.N.C. Nyezane drift - battlefield in background [You must be registered and logged in to see this image.]Photo By Ken Killings LIST of Officers and Men killed in action at the Camp, Isandhlwana Hill, Zululand, on the 22nd January, 1879. "N" Battery, 5th Brigade R.A. Captain and Brevet-Major Stuart Smith Brevet-Major F. B. Russell, R.A., Rocket Battery Sergeant Edwards, William 3483 Corporal Bailey, H.R. 1119 Corporal Cooper, William 2721 Corporal Langridge, John 1872 Bombardier Parker, John 746 A/Bombardier Nash, Thomas 1763 A/Bombardier Leguay, John 3181 A/Bombardier McDonnell, James 2196 A/Bombardier Aylett, James 1882 A/Bombardier Boswell, Thomas 147 Farrier Sergeant Whinham, Robert 841 Collar Maker Shepperd, Thomas753 Shoeing Smith Elliott, Thomas1462 Gunners: Beech, Frank. 1883 Berry, Thomas 655 1885 Burke, James Byrne, James 2189 Cockrane, Samuel 646 Collins, Robert 1311 1082 Connelly, John 1637 Davies, Isaac Dickins, William 3484 Harrison, Thomas 668 Hicks, James 1412 James, Edward G.1773 King, Charles 1834 Lamb, James 1113 McGregor, Murdoch 2945 Mead, James 1655 Marshall, William 1683 Miller, Thomas 2630 O'Neal, Daniel 2633 Page, Henry 2322 Redman, Alexander 1438 Reede, John 692 Regan, John 2460 Roscoe, William 2183 Smythe, Joseph 1405 Stevenson, Joseph 1833 ("Joseph" in the despatch "R." on the roll) Williams, Robert 2652 Wilson, Thomas 2819 Wilson, William 1626 Woolacott, Alfred 704 Drivers: Adams, William 1471 Allen, Henry 751 Barron, William 707 Bishop, Charles 1524 Brooks, James 2174 Bruce, Thomas 1961 Clarke, Thomas 1598 Cowley, Henry 2301 Dailey, John 1185 Hiatt, William 727 Hutchings, James 723 Jones, J. William 2178 Joyce, Leonard 1997 Marchant, John741 McKeown, George 2119 Murphy, Francis 2015 648 Spread, Charles Also on the despatch cannot locate elsewhere??: Bailey, George 1073 , Driver. Royal Engineers. Lieutenant-Colonel Durnford, A. W. Lieutenant McDowell, F. H. (spelling at some sources McDowel) Captain Shepstone, G. Political Assistant to Colonel Durnford 7100 Corporal Gamble, W. (5th Coy) 9312 Sapper Cuthbert, H. (5th Coy) 13805 Sapper Maclaren J. (5th Coy) 12812 SapperWheatley M. (5th Coy) 1st Battalion 24th Regiment. Major and Lieutenant-Colonel Pulleine, H. B. Captain Degacher, William Captain Mostyn, W. E. Captain Wardell, G. V. Captain Younghusband, R. Lieutenant and Adjutant Melville, T. Lieutenant Porteous, F. P. Lieutenant Cavaye, C. W. Lieutenant Anstey, E. D. Lieutenant Coghill, N. J. A. Lieutenant Daly, J. P. Lieutenant Hodson, G. F. J. Lieutenant Atkinson, C. J. 2nd Lieutenant Dyson, E. H. Paymaster White, F. F. (APD) Qrt.-Master Pullen, J. Sergt.-Major Gapp, F. 671 Qr.-Mst.-Srgt. Leitch, T. 557 Sgt.-I. Msktry Chambers, G. 1011 Drm-Major Taylor, R. 843 Ord.-R.-Sergt. Fitzgerald, G. G. 1850 P.-Mtr.-Sergt. Mead, G. 896 Amry.-Sergt. Hayward, H. 400 Sergt.-Cook Field, A. 1510 Tailor-Srgt. Smedley, J. 559 Canteen Steward Seaton W.P. Colour-Sergeants: Brown, T. 1118 Ballard, J. 1125 Edwards, W. 1289 Wolfe, F. H. 617 Whitfield, W. 1887 Sergeants: Ainsworth, P. 1699 Bennett, G. 1895 Bradley D. 909 Clarkson, Jno. 954 Coholan, Wm. 1019 Cooper, T. 1313 Edwards, Jno. 1881 Fay, Thos, 1849 Fowden, J. 315 Gamble, D. 570 Giles, E. 968 Greatorex, J. 1754 Heppenstall, C. 1806 Hornibrook, M. 824 Parsons, Wm. 581 Piall, A. 1045 Smith, Jno. 1370 Upton, G. 565 Lance-Sergeants Milner, Jno. 232 Reardon, Jno 1260 Corporals: Ball, N 126 Bell, P. 421 Bellhouse, Jno. 1415 Board. A. 1391 Davis R. S. 125 Everett, E. 28 Franks, Jno. 23 Knight, Jno. 1886 Lawler, Jno. 415 Markham,P. 524 Miller, M. 1616 Richardson H 1736 Rowden, Jno. 885 Tarbuck, Jno. 1538 (Tarbruck??) Williams, R. 193 Lance Corporals, Drummers and Privates ( Private unless stated otherwise) Abbott, R. 1442 Drummer Adams, W. H. 2003 Allingham, T. 476 Amos, E. 937 Drummer Andrews, C. 267 Atkins, A. 1237 Bailey, Jno 710 (Joseph??) Baker, E 1496 Barry, Jno. 466 Barry, Jno. 727 Bartles, J. 1476 Bastard, C. 451 Beadon, R. 501 Beckett, Wm. 135 ( Died of wounds received at Rorke's Drift see despatch.) Benham, Jno. 349 Bennett, A. 1469 Bennett, R. 647 Benson, R. 643 Betterton, N. 1656 Birch, Jno. 635 Bishop, J. 154 Blackhurst, — (R.) 1681 Blower, Jas. 1474 Bodman, F. 221 ( Bodmin??) Boulton, S. 64 Boylan, Jno. 106 Bray, Jas 950 Breese, Jno. 487 (Breeze??) Brew, J. W. 43 Brodrick, J. 718 (Broderick??) Brown, J. 628 Brown, Wm 320 Bugby, F. W. 452 Bull, Jno. 1875 (James??) Burke, T. 55 Burke, Wm. 176 Burke, Wm. 886 Busby, Thos. 1461 Butler, W.J. 1908 Bye, Jno. 308 on the despatch not KIA on medal roll Cahill, J. 494 Callanan, J. on dispatch no trace elsewhere Camp, Jas. 825 Campbell, M. 840 Cantillon Jas. 713 (Canhillon??) Carpenter, W. H. 648 ( H only on roll) Carrol, P. 337 Casey, Jas. 507 Ceiley, E. 204 (Ceily??) Lance-Corporal Chadwick, Wm. 406 ( Pte. on the Roll) Chalmers, W. 2001 Chapman, Wm. 1825 - on the despatch not KIA on medal roll Chatterton, Jas. 389 Christian, D. 1177 ( J on roll) Clarke, A. 1545 Clarke, M. 1801 Clements, H. 226 ( W on roll ) Clutterbuck, Wm. 724 Cole, A 334 Coleman, ,Jas. 749 Collins, D. 359 Collins, T. 245 Colston, J. 205 ( initial T on roll) Lance-Corporal Conboye, G. 1424 ( Pte. on the roll) Connolly, C. 722 (Conmelly on despatch) Connolly, Jno 199 (Conmelly on despatch) Connors, S. 290 ( Cormers on despatch) Cook,. Jas. 112 Cooper, H 18 Coughlan, R. 1690 (Coughlin on despatch) Cox, Jas. 505 Cox, T. 290 Cullen, M. 797 Davis, A. 640 Davis, E. 1099 Davis, W. 1042 Drummer Dibden, G. 1786 Diggle, M. 184 Diggles, Jas. 115 (Diggle, T. on roll) Dobbin, Jno. 395 Dobbs, Wm. 550 Donohoe C. 1790 Doran, M. 242 Dorman, Jno. 1845 Dowde, P 674 Dredge, Wm. 235 Duck, T. 438 Duckworth, G. 1677 Duffey, Jno. 185 ( Duffy on roll) Dugmore, E. 1327 Dunn, F. 446 Dyer, Jno. 215 Edwards, Jno. 526 Edwards, W. G. 1799 ( W only on roll) Egan, Wm. 1582 Egan, Thos. 66 Eldrington, W. 211 Elderton, G. 1318 Ellis, D. 312 ( O. on the roll) Ellison, H. 163 (Ellisan on the despatch ) Ellsmore, J 450 ( Ellsmone on the despatch) Evans, D 566 Evans, J. W. 109 Lance-Corporal Every, T. 518 ( Evry & Pte. on the roll) Faircloth, Jno. 21 Farmer, Wm. 178 Fay, G. H. 403 Ferris, M. 354 Fitzgerald, T. 73 Flint, E. 1897 Flood W. 1752 Fortune, Jas. 1459 Freeman, W. 862 Gilder, T. 1305 Gillan, Jno. 22 Gingell, C. 830 (Gingle on the despatch) Glass, G. 408 Goatham, A. 1794 Goddard, C. 863 Goodchild, G. 1872 ( Goddchild on the despatch) Goss, T. 1750 (Gass on the despatch) Green, W. 1854 Gregg W. 1423 ( Greig, on the despatch) Gregson, Wm. 514 Griffiths, G. 535 Hadden, G. 667 Hale, I. 153 Hall, Jno. 633 Hannaford, Jacob. 11 Lance-Corporal Harkin T. 1459 ( Hackin on despatch) Harman, J. 678 Harney, D. 565 (Hamey on the despatch) Boy Harrington, T. J. Harrington, Dennis 787 Harris, T. H 234 Hayden, Wm. 400 Harris, Wm. 392 Hyden, W 400 Drummer Haynes, Jno. 542 ( Pte. on the roll) Hedges, Jas. 30 Hemmings, C 696 Lance-Corporal. Hewitt, Jno. 7 ( Pte. on the roll) Hicken, W. H. 747 (Hickin on the despatch ) Hibbard Jas. 1295 Hicks, T. 1856 Higgins, T. 720 Hind, J. 1857 ( Hines. T. on the despatch.) Hitchene, Jno. 776 ( Hitchin on the despatch ) Holden, Wm. 1757 Holland, J. 1780 Lance-Corporal Horgan, Dd. 833 Horn, Jno 1673 ( Home on despatch). Hornbuckle, C. 1501 Horrigan, Wm 1861- KIA Rorke's Drift. Hough, Wm. 1444 ( Haugh on despatch) Hughes, E. 533 Hughes, John. 237 Hughes, John 404 Hughes, Owen 324 Hughes, T. 206 (initial "S." on despatch). Iggulden, A. 1892 Isley, F.G. 1882 ( Ilsley, F on the despatch ) Ivatts, E. 536 Jenkins, Jas. 841 Jenkins, W. 1083 Jenkins, W. 1767 Johnson, G. 553 Johnson, H. 1774 Johnson, J. 287 Lance-Corporal Johnson, Wm. 1449 Johnston, A. 25B/1 Johnston, G. 1465 Johnston, Jas. 381 Johnston, Jno 633 Jones, E 25B/350 Jones, Jno. 360 Jones, Jno. 428 Jones, T. 259 Jones, Wm. 341 Jones, Wm. 1682 Keane, J. 88 ( Keene on despatch ) Keegan, Jas. 1259 Kelly, A 432 Kelly, F. 645 Kelly Jas. 520 Kelly, J. F. 789 Kempsall, N. 1890 Kempster, Jno. 883 Knight, Jas. 1155 Lamb, Jas 275 Lambert, Thos. 707 Lawrence, Jno. 1541 Leech, R. W. 131 ( Leach on despatch) Leaver, T. 326 Lee, Jno. 882 Lewis, H. 72 Lewis, R. 478 Ling, Jas. 1277 Linnane, Jno 531 ( Lenain on despatch ) Lippett, S. 133 (Lippet on despatch ) Lisbeck, G 710 ( J on roll ) Lloyd, J. 1862 (Lloyde, G. on despatch ) Lockett, W 296 Lovell, C. 521 Lowe, C. 1649 Lowe, R. 1841 Lycett, Jas. 268 Lyons, Jno. 258 McDonald, M. 663 McFarlane, M. 1393 (McFarlame on despatch ) McHale, J. 330 Mack, H. A. 1378 ( A only on roll ) MacKenzie, J. J. 630 Maer J.R. 47 ( Mair, G.R. on despatch) Mahoney, C. 590 Rocket Battery Mahoney, M., 137 Mann, Wm. 992 Marley, L. 916 Marney, C. 1348 ( Maney on despatch ) Martin, D. 1758 Meredith, J. H. 293 Millen, C. 1509 Miller, P. 508 Moore, R. 1398 Morgan, Jno. 803 Morgan, Wm. 490 Morris, G .610 ( Jno on despatch ) Morse, R. 730 Murphy, Jno. 25B/63 Murphy, P. 862 Murray, Jno. 594 Nash, P. 399 Newberry, .A. 1928 (Newbery on despatch ) Newberry, T. 1906 ( Newbery on despatch ) Nickolas, E., 625 Rorke's Drift Nickolas, Wm 648 Nye, Wm. 1839 ( W.E. on roll ) Oakley, Wm. 1245 Odey, G. 754 Ogden, Jas. 1417 Drummer Osmond, C. 1226 ( G. on despatch ) Drummer Orlopp, J. F. 2 Padmore, Jas 1478 Painter, T. 980 Parry, R. 471 Patterson, G. H. 12 ( H.H. on roll ) Peters Jno. 310 Phillips, Jno. 237 Phillips, J. N. 845 Drummer Perkins, T. 1-24/1 Pickard, J. R. 87 Plant, S. 374 Plunkett, J. 181 Pollen, A. 1368 (Pallen on despatch ) Pope, W. 1793 Potten U. 222 Pottow?? Powell, H. 739 Proctor, Jno. 950 Prasser, G. 597 ( Prosser on roll ) Prasser, Jno. 797 ( Prosser on roll ) Pugh, W. 182 Pugh, Wm. 856 Quirk, Jas. 513 Drummer Reardon, T. 501 Remmington, E. 1826 Retford, W. H. 1650 Richards, G. 840 Richardson, M. 871 Rigney, Jno. 808 ( Rignay on roll ) Rettman, Jno. 504 ( Rittman on roll ) Roberts, Wm. 355 Rodgers, H 1866 Rowbery, P. 740 (Roubery on roll ) Rowan, H. 510 Rule, W. 548 Rutter, T. 1452 Ryan, Jas. 2176 Salter, G. 488 Sainey, F. 529 ( Sarney on roll ) Sears, H. 279 Sellwood, W. 1971 Sharp, F. 147 Shaw, R. 200 Shea, D. 497 Sheather, H. 1130 Shrimpton, Jno. 1396 Silcock, R. 649 Skelton. W. 384 Smith, C. 506 Smith, C. 1867 Smith, E. 1047 Smith, G. 58 Smith, Jas. 1903 Speed, T. 396 Drummer Stansfield, S. 114 Stevens, H. 851 Stevens, W. 20 Strange, E. 900 Sullivan, Jno. 1495 Sullivan, P. 888 Sutton P. 161 Swaffer, R. 664 Tate, R. 1779 Taylor, E 659 Terry, James 1670 Theobold, W. 1753 Thomas, Jno. 636 Thomas, J. B. 765 Drummer Thompson, Jno. 1787 Thomett, Thos. 34 Lance-Corporal Thrassell, C. 33 Tillisard, H. 317 Tinnery, T. 383 (Tuneny on despatch) Todd, G. 1782 Townsend, J. 209 Trowell, W. 543 Tullett, Jas. 16 Turner, E (Mounted Troop). 964 Vines, G. 85 Walker, E. 444 Walker, E. 925 Walsh, Thos. 285 Walsh, Thos. 493 Walsh, W. 851 Walton, W. 596 ( Walham on despatch ) Warner, J. 531 Watkins, H. W. 380 ( W only on roll ) Watley, Jno. 1152 Watts, H. 1919 Webb, T. 607 Lance-Corporal Wetherhead, H. 489 Whelan, Jno. 642 Whelan, Tho. 1184 Whybrow, E. 591 Wilkinson, A. 297 Wilks, F. 134 Williams, Ellis 455 Williams, E. 778 Williams, J. 545 Williams, Jno. 582 Williams, Jas. 868 Williams, M. 288 Williams, Thos. 534 Williams, Thos. 624 Williams W.E. 698 Wilson, J. 1267 Wilson, S. 533 Wisher. W 227 Wood, Jas. 888 Drummer Wolfendale, A. 2004 Drummer Wolfendale, J. 1399 Wooley, Jno. 1266 (Woolley ?? ) Worthington, E. 589 Wright, R. 1768 Lance-Corporal Young, T. 1654 2nd Battalion 24th Regiment. Lieutenant Pope, C. d'A. Godwin-Austen, F.G ("Austen" only on the despatch) Dyer, H. J. Sub-Lieut. Griffiths, T. L. G. (Griffith?) Quartermaster Bloomfield, E.
Band Mstr. Bullard, H.T. 1777 Quartermaster-Sergt. Davis, G. 1689 Sergeants Lines, J. 2227 Chew, C. (Cook Sergeant on the roll) Ross, J. 50 Reeves, W. J. G. 1078 Carse, H. 927 Shaw, W. 2336 Wilkins, G. 889 Lance-Sergeants McCaffrey, James. 1755 Haig, Joseph. 1217 Williams, Thomas. 1328 Corporals Henshaw, J. 1248 Sims, G. 673 Low, J. M. 657 Thompson, T. 1103 Mortlock, H. 725 Greenhill, W. 1268 Lance-Corporals, Drummers, Privates, Boys (Privates unless stated otherwise) Allen, Joseph. 1266 Barton, J. W. 1142 Bevan, S. 1471 Bennett, Thomas. 1413 Bishop, H. 1550 Bray, A. 854 Bridgewater, Francis. 114 Brierly, J. P. 2053 Broderick, M. 960 Bryant, J. 1177 Buckley, Robert. 517 Bull, T. 1262 Byard, A. 1500 Byrne, John. 721 Byrne, J. 1671 Carroll, Thomas. 1336 Charles, W. 1510 Cherry, F. 1598 Cleary, M. 723 Cole, Thomas. 801 Rorke's Drift. Cornish, T. 819 Davies, George. 1031 Davies, John. J. 743 Davis, David. 1414 Davis, J. 121 Davis, J. 894. Donegan, Michael. 1026 Dowle, John. 872 Earish, John. 2081 Edwards, E. 1166 Edwards, John. 786 Emerson, Robert. 1378 Lance-Corporal Elvey, J, 929 Evans, J. 1389 Farr, Alfred. 1041 Finn, T. 1963 Fitton, G. 2037 Fitzpatrick, M. 1519 Flynn, D. 1030 Flynn, Joseph. 2222 Fortune, Michael. 738 Fox, T. 1162 Fry. J. 2335 Gee, William. 1771 Ghost, George. 619 Boy Gordon. D. 1491 Griffiths, William. (V.C.) 1056 Boy Gurney, J. 1494 Hacker, Samuel. 1272 Hall, B. 1527 Hall, C. 1636 Hall, John. 1260 Hall, William. 1297 Hankin, L 618 Hawkins, W. 2323 Healey, John. 1219 Hill, James. E. 1313 Hopkins, R. H. 887 Horrocks, G. 866 Howells, Robert. 791 Hudson, George. 1678 Hughes, F. 1024 Hunt, John. 1593 Jenkins, W. 1135 Johnstone, William. 1025 Jones, Abraham, 1097 Jones, E, 983 Jones, J. 948 Jones, T. 976 Jones, T 1511 Jones, T. 1382 Jones, William. 804 Kelly, J. 2400 Kennedy, T. 1707 King, Joseph. 1057 Latham, B. 654 Lewis, E. 1532 Lewis, J. 1957 Llewellyn, James. 70 Long, Charles. 762 Lynch, Thomas. 1273 Machin, John. 671 Mack, James. 1197 Malley, Edward. 1015 Marsh, John. 1349 Martingale, E. 2434 McCaffrey, P. 1225 McCormack, J. 2276 McCracken, S. 1458 McDoon, G. 1221 Boy McEwan, Joseph. S. 1387 McGuire, J. 1338 Mockler, Michael. 1168 Montgomery, Thomas. 1128 Moore, F. 726 Morgan, J. 1506 Morris, Alfred. 788 Morrisey, James. 1412 Mulroy, P. 1994 Murphy, J. 1469 Neagle, T. 1036 Nobes, R. 1901 O'Keefe, T. 1549 Perkins, Hugh. 1134 Phillips, David. 1383 Poole, Samuel. 586 Popple, Samuel. 1709 Price, H. 945 Price, J. 1098 Pritchard, David. 1576 Quilford, T. 949 Quinn, J. 1868 Rees, William. 1411 Rice, Walter. 692 Roche, John. 781 Roche, M. 1505 Sanders, T. 850 Scott, J. 813 Sheen, W. 779 Sherwood, Samuel. 1169 Shuttleworth, William. 79 Slade, H. 895 Smith, Charles. M. 1487 Smith, Daniel. 1096 Smith, F. 1143 Smith, Henry. 907 Smith, J. 1005 Smith, Patrick. 912 Smith, R. 1495 Stevens, Robert. 1484 Terrett, W. 782 Thomas, David. 1218 Thompson, G 1107 Treverton, Richard. 951 Turner, E. 2358 Velder, T. 653 Walker, Samuel. 2038 Waters, E. 1543 Waterhouse, W. 513 Watkins, J. 1191 Watson, G. 1518 White, J. 1132 White, T. 794 Wightman, Adam. 1095 Williams, E. 1463 Williams, E. 1470 Williams, Evan. 1023 Williams, George. 987 Williams, T. 1140 Williamson, James. 2047 Wood, G. 689 Wright, J. 1138 Young, Edward. 1093 Army Service Corps. Corporal Pritchard, Joseph J. T/2654 Private Cole, Jno, T/108 Private Jaques, A. T/1599 (Wm on the Despatch?) Army Hospital Corps. Lieutenant of Orderlies; Hall, A.W. Corporal Lee, J, 2393 Private Cain, A, 3201 Private Lewis. H.W. 3421 Private Deane. J 2083 Private Hughes. J 3290 Private Munn. G.G. 3354 Private Gilman. J 3147 Private Hogan. J 2852 Private Lovell, W. 2695 Private Baker. G, 3148 Army Medical Department. Surgeon-Major Shepherd P. Boy Green, servant to Surg.-Major Shepherd Mounted Infantry. 80th Qm- Sgt. Johnson, Wm. 1271 Chesterton, John 1377 Holman, Edwd 1433 McDonald, Wm. 559 Shoeing-Sm. Seymour, Wm. 695 (Pte. on the roll) Private Whitehouse, Joseph 60 9th Lancers Farrier Sampson, H. 6th Dragoon Guards Private McStravick, Jno. 2 Btn, 3rd Private Shaw, James 45/810 Private Wheatley, Geo. 45/389 1st Btn., 24th Turner, Edwd. 946 (listed in the despatch twice see 1/24th above) Civ. Servant Popworth, Wm., servant to Capt. Gardner, special service Turner, Robt., servant to Capt. Hallam Parr, 13th Regt. Natal Mounted Police. (rank is Trooper unless stated otherwise) Corporal Lally H. Lance-Corporal Campbell H.C. Banger, G. H. Berry H. Blakeman E. Clark, J. (Cpl on roll ) Capps H.I. (Cpl on roll ) Daniels S. (Cpl on roll) Dorey C.T. (Cpl on roll) Eason J.A. Fletcher W. Hunter S. ( KIA Rorkes Drift) Lloyd H.C. McRae T. Meares, C.H. Neil H. Parsons A.B. Pearce H.T. Pleydell J.W. Pollard A.F. Secretan, A. Siddall J.W.M. Stimpson W.E. Thicke S.C. White, C. Winkles H. Natal Carbineers. (rank is Trooper unless stated otherwise) Lieutenant Scott, F. J..D. Quartermaster London, W. Quartermaster-Sergt. Bullock, W. (J. C. on Despatch) Blakie, J. A. Borrain G. Christian C.G.S. Deane, J. Davis, H. Dickinson, H. Hawkins, V.C.. Hayhow, H. Haldane C. Jackson, R Jackson, F. Lumley, W. Macleroy, G.T. Mendenhall, W Moodie, M Ross,. J Swift, W. Tarbaton, E Whitelaw, J. Newcastle Mounted Rifles. Captain Bradstreet Quartermaster Hitchcock Sergeant Swan Trooper Barnes Trooper Greenbank Trooper McAlister Trooper Dinkelman Buffalo Border Guard. Trooper Eary Trooper Guttridge. Trooper Wehr 1st Battalion 3rd Regiment, Natal Native Contingent Captain Krohn, Robert Captain Lonsdale, Jas. Lieutenant Avery, Samuel Lieutenant Holcraft, Frank Lieutenant Jameson, Chas. Acting-Surgeon Bull, Frank Quartermaster McCormick, Jno Interpreter Grant, Samuel Sergeants Connock, J. Cole, J. Church, H Welsh, J. Patterson, C. Galling, W. Bryant, G. Atkins, H. Russell, W. Donnell Golding, W. McCarty, W. Humphries, W. Corporals Sibley, F. Anderson, W Palmer, R Balmore, J. Duprie, J O'Connell, D. O'Neil, M. Davidson, Quinn, J. Willey, W. Pearson, J. Price, W. Hospital-Sergeant Cane Conductor Doyle Conductor Le Roue Cook Neil, Geo. 2nd Battalion 3rd Regiment, Natal Native Contingent Captain Erskine, Edwd. Captain Barry, A. T. Captain Murray, O. E Lieutenant Pritchard, R. A Lieutenant Young, L. D. Lieutenant Gibson, Arthur Lieutenant Standish Lieutenant Rivers, H. O. Quartermaster Chambers, A. Sergeants Quart.-Mr. Sergeant Farr, A. Schaap, D. Phillips, S. Brebner, W. Murray, W. Hamilton, W Allen, J. Mowbray, G. Broderick, A. Broderick, M. Moore, G Kemp, W. Elverson, G Corporals Walker, J. Green, W. Delaharpe, D. Sturk, H. Harrington, T. Willis, J. Styles, R Caufield, J. Welsh, E. Allen, W. Schneither, L. De Villiers, D. Stapleton, W. Laughlin, W. Pitzer, T. 90th Regiment Broadhurst, G. 1570 Edwards, H. 1183 Healey, W. 1593 Patterik, D 1610 Walsh, T. 1474 Wickham, C. 1668
Men attached to the Personal Staff of the Lieutenant-General as Servants. (as per the despatch, make of it what you will. We have found Aynsley RN who appears to be mistakenly recorded as an Inyezane Naval Brigade casualty with some sources - but the despatch clearly states Isandhlwana. We have also found Thompson ,80th and added some details - the rest we have left) Colour-Sergeant M. C. Keane, Staff Clerk to Military Secretary. Royal Navy Signalman Aynsley,William Henry 55652. HMS Active Army Service Corps Farrier Wright. 1st 24th Regiment Private Hughes. 2nd 24th Regiment Private Williamson. 25th Regiment Private Fitzpatrick. 31st Regiment Private Watson. 80th Regiment Sergeant Thompson, H. 2081 Civilian Mr. Laparra, General's Cook. 'Ah! Those red soldiers at Isandlwana, how few they were, and how they fought! They fell like stones-each man in his place. [You must be registered and logged in to see this image.]Remembering the Brave Zulu Warriors who fell at Isandlwana.[You must be registered and logged in to see this image.]Roll of Honour (Rorke's Drift)22nd/23rd January 1879 General’s Staff Mabin, George William.Colour-Sergeant Royal Artillery N Battery 5th Brigade Cantwell, John. Gunner 2076, awarded Distinguished Conduct Medal Evans, Abraham. Gunner 1643 Howard, Arthur. Gunner 2077 Lewis, Thomas. Bombardier. 458 Royal Engineers 5th Company Chard, John Rouse Merriott, Lieutenant, awarded Victoria Cross Robson, Charles John, Driver. 12046 (Chard's Batman) 2nd Battalion, 3rd (East Kent) Regiment of Foot (The Buffs) Milne, Frederick. Sergeant. 2260 1st Battalion, 24th (2nd Warwickshire) Regiment of Foot Beckett, William. Private. 25B/135, died of wounds 23 January 1879 Desmond, Patrick. Private. 25B/568 Horrigan, William. Private. 1-24/1861, killed in action 22 January 1879 Jenkins, James. Private. 25B/841, killed in action 22 January 1879 Nicholas, Edward. Private. 25B/625, killed in action 22 January 1879 Payton, Thomas. Private. 25B/372 Roy, William. Private. 1-24/1542, awarded Distinguished Conduct Medal Turner, Henry. Private. 25B/l04 Waters, John. Private. 1-24/447 Wilson, Edward. Sergeant. 25B/56 2nd Battalion, 24th Regiment (2nd Warwickshire) Adams, Robert. Private. 25B/987 D Company, killed in action 22 January 1879 Allen, William Wilson. Corporal. 2-24/1240, B Company, awarded Victoria Cross Ashton, James. Private. 2-24/913, B Company Barry, Thomas. Private. 25B/1381, B Company Bennett, William Private. 25B/918, B Company Bessell, William. Lance-Corporal. 25B/l287, B Company Bly, John. Private. 2-24/2427, B Company Bourne, Frank. Colour-Sergeant. 2-24/2459, B Company, awarded Distinguished Conduct Medal Bromhead, Gonville. Lieutenant, B Company, awarded Victoria Cross Bromwich, Joseph. Private. 25B/1524, B Company Buckley, Thomas. Private. 25B/1184, B Company Burke, Thomas. Private. 25B/1220, B Company Bushe, James. Private. 2-24/2350, B Company Camp, William Henry. Private. 25B/1181, B Company Chester, Thomas. Private. 25B/1241, B Company Chick, James. Private. 25B/1335 D Company, killed in action 22 January 1879 Clayton, Thomas. Private. 25B/755, B Company Cole, Robert. Private. 25B/1459, F Company Cole, Thomas. Private. 25B/801 B Company, killed in action 22 January 1879 Collins, Thomas. Private.25B/1396, B Company Connolly, John. Private. 25B/906, C Company Connors, Anthony. Private. 2-24/2310, B Company Connors, Timothy. Private. 2-24/1323, B Company Cooper, William. Private. 2-24/2453, F Company Davies, George. Private. 25B/470, B Company Davis, William Henry. Private. 25B/1363, B Company Daw, Thomas. Private. 25B/1178, B Company Deacon, George. Private. 25B/1467, B Company, alias George D Power Deane, Michael. Private. 25B/1357, B Company Dick, James. Private. 2-24/1697, B Company Dicks, William. Private. 2-24/1634, B Company Driscoll, Thomas. Private. 25B/971, B Company Dunbar, James. Private. 25B/1421, B Company Edwards, George. Private. 25B/922, B Company, alias George Edward Orchard Evans, Frederick. Private. 25B/953, H Company Fagan, John. Private. 25B/969 B Company, killed in action 22 January 1879 French, George. Corporal. 2-24/582, B Company Galgey, Patrick. Drummer 2-24/1713, D Company Gallagher, Henry. Sergeant. 25B/81, B Company Gee, Edward. Private. 2-24/2429, B Company Hagan, James. Private. 25B/978, B Company Halley, William. Lance-Corporal. 25B/l282, B Company Harris, John. Private. 25B/1062, B Company Hayden, Garret. Private. 2-24/1769 D Company, killed in action 22 January 1879 Hayes, Patrick. Drummer 2-24/2067, B Company Hitch, Frederick. Private. 25B/1362, B Company, awarded Victoria Cross Hook, Alfred Henry. Private. 25B/1373, B Company, awarded Victoria Cross Jobbins, John. Private. 25B/1061, B Company Jones, Evan. Private. 25B/1428, B Company, alias Patrick Cosgrove Jones, John. Private. 25B/1179, B Company Jones, John. Private. 25B/970, B Company Jones, Robert. Private. 258/716, B Company, awarded Victoria Cross Jones, William. Private. 2-24/593, B Company, awarded Victoria Cross Judge, Peter. Private. 2-24/2437, B Company Kears, Patrick. Private. 25B/972, B Company Keefe, James. Drummer 2-24/2381, B Company Key, John. Corporal. 2-24/2389, B Company Kiley, Michael. Private. 25B/1386, B Company Lewis, David. Private. 25B/963, B Company, alias James Owen Lines, Henry. Private. 2-24/1528, B Company Lloyd, David. Private. 25B/1409, B Company Lockhart, Thomas. Private. 25B/1176, B Company Lodge, Joshua. Private. 25B/1304, B Company Lynch, Thomas Michael. Private. 25B/942, B Company Lyons, John. Corporal. 25B/1112, B Company Lyons. John. Private. 2-24/1441, A Company Manley, John. Private. 2-24/1731, A Company Marshall, James. Private. 25B/964, B Company Martin, Henry. Private. 25B/756, B Company Mason, Charles. Private. 25B/1284, B Company Maxfield, Robert. Sergeant. 25B/623 G Company, killed in action 22 January 1879 Meehan, John. Drummer 2-24/2383, A Company Minihan, Michael. Private. 2-24/1527, B Company Moffatt, Thomas. Private. 25B/968, B Company Morris, Augustus. Private. 25B/1342, B Company Morris, Frederick. Private. 25B/525, B Company Morrison, Thomas. Private. 25B/1371, B Company Murphy, John. Private. 25B/662, B Company Neville, William. Private. 25B/1279, B Company Norris, Robert. Private. 25B/1257, B Company Osborne, William. Private. 25B/1480, B Company Parry, Samuel. Private. 25B/1399, B Company Partridge, William. Private. 25B/1410, G Company Pitt, Samuel. Private. 25B/1186, B Company Robinson, Edward. Private. 25B/1286, B Company Ruck, James. Private. 25B/1065, B Company Savage, Edward. Private. 25B/1185, B Company Saxty, Alfred. Corporal. 25B/849, B Company Scanlon, John. Private. 25B/1051 A Company, killed in action 22 January 1879 Sears, Arthur. Private. 2-24/2404, A Company Shearman, George. Private. 2-24/1618, B Company Shergold, John. Private. 2-24/914, B Company Smith, George. Sergeant. 2-24/1387, B Company Smith, John. Private. 25B/1005, B Company Stevens ,Thomas. Private. 25B/777, B Company Tasker, William. Private. 2-24/1812, B Company Taylor, Frederick. Private. 25B/973, B Company Taylor, James. Lance-Sgt. 25B/82, E Company Taylor, Thomas Edward. Private. 25B/889, B Company Thomas, John. Private. 25B/1280, B Company, alias Peter Sawyer Thompson, John. Private. 25B/1394, B Company Tobin, Michael. Private. 25B/879, B Company Tobin, Patrick. Private. 25B/641, B Company Todd, William John. Private. 25B/1281, B Company Tongue, Robert. Private. 25B/1315, B Company Wall, John. Private. 25B/1497, B Company Whetton, Alfred. Private. 2-24/977, B Company Wilcox, William. Private. 25B/1187, B Company Williams, John. Private. 25B/1395, B Company, awarded Victoria Cross, alias John Fielding [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]Williams, John. Private. 25B/934, E Company Williams, Joseph. Private. 25B/1398 B Company, killed in action 22 January 1879 Williams, Thomas. Lance-Sergeant. 25B/1328, died of wounds 23 January 1879 Windridge, Joseph. Sergeant. 2-24/735, B Company Wood, Caleb. Private. 25B/1316, B Company 90th Light Infantry Graham, James. Corporal. 1123, alias Daniel Sheehan Army Service Corps Attwood, Francis. Second Corporal. 24692, awarded Distinguished Conduct Medal Army Commissariat and Transport Department Byrne, Louis Alexander. Acting Storekeeper, (civilian attachment), killed in action 22 January 1879 Dalton, James Langley. Acting Assistant Commissary, awarded Victoria Cross Dunne, Walter Alphonsus. Assistant. Commissary Army Medical Department and Army Hospital Corps Reynolds, James Henry. Surgeon. BA MB ChB, awarded Victoria Cross Pearse, Mr., Surg. Reynolds’s servant Luddington, Thomas. Private. McMahon, Michael. Private. 3359, awarded Distinguished Conduct Medal Miller, Robert. Corporal. 1st Battalion 3rd Regiment Natal Native Contingent Adendorff, Gert Wilhelm Mayer, Jessy H. Corporal. A native of Mkungo’s tribe, killed in action 22 January 1879 2nd Battalion 3rd Regiment Natal Native Contingent Anderson, Michael. Corporal. , killed whilst deserting 22 January 1879 Doughty, William. Corporal. Scammell, Carl. Corporal. Schiess, Ferdnand Christian. Corporal., awarded Victoria Cross Wilson, John. Corporal Natal Mounted Police Green, Robert S. Trooper. Hunter, Sydney H. Trooper., killed in action 22 January 1879 Lugg, Henry. Trooper. Acting Chaplain to the Volunteers Smith, George. The Reverend The Rev Smith’s native servant Mr Daniels Those that did not remain to assist in the defence viz. 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"Rorke's Drift Anniversary honour roll. Whilst going through some family papers yesterday I found the following Rorke's Drift honour roll in a publication by the Mercury Press. Being the anniversary of the epic battle I thought it appropriate to circulate it. Interestingly, it lists Adendorf and two Jenkins as defenders, amongst many others often discussed. According to the text it is Chard's roll and its publication has been approved by the "Lt General". regards
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| Barry, it states "By an Eyewitness" does it say who. Or does it mean John Chard? |
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| HI Impi, Good to hear from you, and a good question too. The front cover of the booklet does not identify the author and reading it through I did not manage to establish who the author was either, although Chard seems to have had many inputs, as at the end of the booklet he signs off certifying that the information contained therein is true and correct. Of importance I think is the listing of those contentious defenders names and will be of interest to many.
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| Hi Barry That's the report from George Smith. Its further amplified in 'Padre George Smith of Rorkes Drift" by Canon William Lummis
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| - springbok9 wrote:
- Hi Barry
That's the report from George Smith. Its further amplified in 'Padre George Smith of Rorkes Drift" by Canon William Lummis
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| Is this the "Smith roll" as Whybra calls it? It was compiled days after the defence and latterly used by Chard (Cantwell) decades later to compile what we now know as the "Chard roll."
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| Kopie The 'Chard' roll as its so called was written, dated and address to Richard Glyn on the 3rd February 1879. The numbering of the people that took part is exactly the same as the numbering in the Smith account posted by Barry. The list was originally published in the Natal papers on the 8th of February. George Smiths account and list was published on 7th April. The pamphlet was published as a commemorative item in January 1880. The so called Cantwell roll only appeared in around 1930. The fact that this self same list, with the same numbering was published twice by Natal papers, in 1879 and 1880 proves that the Cantwell list is a copy of an original from 1879 and not made up by him in the 1930s. So on a time line: There was a list made on 3rd February 1879 for Richard Glynn This same list was printed on the 8th February This same list was printed again in January 1880 This same list was then reprinted by 'Cantwell' in 1930.
The lists all have a common denominator reaching back to February 1879 except:
Bourne. He made up a list in 1910 from memory. Not suprising really that 31 years down the line he made some mistakes and let people of. In 1937 Bourne revisited his roll and compared it with the original.
As to the original list from Feb 1879: Chard wasn't part of the regiment so would have had great difficulty putting down all the names. Although involved in it some one else with that knowledge would have been the compiler. Bourne never mentioned it. It would have been out of the scope for Dalton or Reynolds, again they didn't know the regiment. Bromhead would be the obvious choice but the descriptions from Clery in his letters tends to show him and Chard as classic Stress sufferers. Who else was there with clerical abilities and a rank sufficient to get co operation? My money is firmly on G W Maybin. But with the help of some one that wasn't busy on regimental duties, George Smith.
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Hope that helps.
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| Great theory as to Maybin's involvement, very intersting, thanks.
In regards to Bromhead, I am not sure I would be inclined to believe everything that Clery said about him (and Chard). Bromhead had just lead his men in the defence of the mission station for several hours, I am not sure if a little clerical work would have phased/stressed him after that.
Also, isn't the list of Feb 1879 you refer to sometimes called Chard's "first report?" In this report, he does not name names, but merely states the number of men present? Such as 1/24th - 11 men.
Happy to be corrected, you know far more than I do on this topic. |
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| kopie I will dig out the Clery letter I refer to. It wasn't so much a report that phased Bromhead as, I believe. he was suffering from Post Traumatic Stress. I will try and post the letter over the weekend. The original report would have contained the names of all present, Its from THAT report all the others sprung. Proof of the existence of such a list is as my last post. If one affirms that there was no list produced by Chard then you have to credit Smith with drawing up the original list as it was published in the Natal papers under his name. But Im sure that Smith copied Chard not the other way around.
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| Putting oneself in Chard's position (just commanded the defence for hours on end, exhausted, don't know the names of the vast majority of men I'd just fought with) who better to delegate the task of going around to see and chat to all the men who had just fought tooth and nail, than the Rev Smith? |
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| ![Very Happy](https://2img.net/i/fa/i/smiles/icon_biggrin.png) Yes he does seemed to have seen just about everything there was to see, it's amazing how he could be everywhere at once to witness the various events. ![Question](https://2img.net/i/fa/i/smiles/icon_question.gif) Must have been a divine intervention ! |
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| Hi Springbok9, I have been comparing the wording in the first section ( there are 4) of the booklet and very much agree that the general report ( section 1) was authored by Rev Smith, the vicar of Estcourt. The similarity between those words and a diary attributed to him are just too similar to be a coincidence. So, whoever wrote it was definitely there too, ie none other than Rev Smith. However , Smith details the strategies of the three 1000 man Zulu reserve regiments which came to "do" Rorkes Drift, and that information must have been fed to him by someone else. Interestingly out of that section we learn that whilst marching from the Nek at Isandlwana, where they assembled prior to the march to RD, these regiments were attacking stragglers and survivors of Isandlwana. That partially answers the question where the MH's supposed to have been used to fire on RD came from. One error that I see in his report was the time of arrival of Chelmsford's relief column, Smith puts it at about 08h00, but in reality it was just after daybreak, ie about 06h00. The other sections of the booklet contain the list of defenders ( section 2) . Section 3 is a brief summary of the RD action by Chard, and section 4 is a 10 stanza poem which is attributed to "Truth" and dated February 20th. Stanza 1 reads;
Just as the light was failing, And the day was lost in night, A little band of heroes Comes hastening from the fight, "to the Ford!" has been the password That has nerved them as they fought; And to hold the Ford 'gainst fire and sword Is now their only thought!
regards
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| Morning Barry Yeah pretty sure it was Smith. the same article was published shortly after the battle as well. Have to admit I haven't read the section on the invading impi, but yes hes obviously collected info from different sources. And that must have been from a Zulu involved in the pursuit, non of the Fugitives really knew who was chasing them. The times of his arrival are a bit uncertain. Its pretty well documented that he left iSandlwana at first light, around 3.0 to 4. Its then 12 miles to RD, even going the bridle route, could they do that in 2 to 3 hours?
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