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+4Chelmsfordthescapegoat John Young Mr M. Cooper rusteze 8 posters | Author | Message |
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rusteze
Posts : 2871 Join date : 2010-06-02
| Subject: Sir Garnet will Show them the Way Sat Jun 20, 2015 3:59 pm | |
| Sheet music for a popular song published in 1879 when Garnet Wolseley was appointed to replace Bartle-Frere and Chelmsford. [You must be registered and logged in to see this image.]Steve |
| | | Mr M. Cooper
Posts : 2591 Join date : 2011-09-29 Location : Lancashire, England.
| Subject: Re: Sir Garnet will Show them the Way Sun Jun 28, 2015 3:30 pm | |
| Hi Steve, I am going off topic here my friend, but just in case you didn't know, your mate Capt Brittles is on TV later today. She wore a yellow ribbon (1949), on Movies for Men (freeview 48, sky 325, freesat 304), at 17.10. Don't miss it my friend, Hallelujah! |
| | | John Young
Posts : 3315 Join date : 2013-09-08 Age : 68 Location : Слава Україні! Героям слава!
| Subject: Re: Sir Garnet will Show them the Way Sun Jun 28, 2015 4:10 pm | |
| Martin, Also off topic. I was at Captain Brittles' office the other day, sadly I missed the captain as he was out with Paradise River Patrol. [You must be registered and logged in to see this image.]John Y. |
| | | rusteze
Posts : 2871 Join date : 2010-06-02
| Subject: Re: Sir Garnet will Show them the Way Sun Jun 28, 2015 4:32 pm | |
| Thanks Martin
JY I thought he was taller than that.
Steve
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| | | Mr M. Cooper
Posts : 2591 Join date : 2011-09-29 Location : Lancashire, England.
| Subject: Re: Sir Garnet will Show them the Way Sun Jun 28, 2015 4:33 pm | |
| Hi John, saying that Nathan wasn't there, you should have mosied on over to smoke a pipe and get drunk with the old chief pony that walks. Great picture by the way mate. |
| | | rusteze
Posts : 2871 Join date : 2010-06-02
| Subject: Re: Sir Garnet will Show them the Way Sun Jun 28, 2015 4:37 pm | |
| JY
PS. Did you stay at Goulding's?
Steve |
| | | Mr M. Cooper
Posts : 2591 Join date : 2011-09-29 Location : Lancashire, England.
| Subject: Re: Sir Garnet will Show them the Way Sun Jun 28, 2015 4:42 pm | |
| No, both John and the old chief were out cold after guzzling fire water and singing "dear old pals, jolly old pals". |
| | | Mr M. Cooper
Posts : 2591 Join date : 2011-09-29 Location : Lancashire, England.
| Subject: Re: Sir Garnet will Show them the Way Sun Jun 28, 2015 4:50 pm | |
| Right, I'm off to get everything ready before the film starts. Enjoy the film lads. |
| | | Chelmsfordthescapegoat
Posts : 2593 Join date : 2009-04-24
| Subject: Re: Sir Garnet will Show them the Way Thu Jul 02, 2015 7:55 pm | |
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| | | John
Posts : 2558 Join date : 2009-04-06 Age : 62 Location : UK
| Subject: Re: Sir Garnet will Show them the Way Sat Jul 04, 2015 12:24 pm | |
| Perhaps the chap who wrote this should have waited until the conclusion of the war. As it stands it doesnt really apply.
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| | | 90th
Posts : 10909 Join date : 2009-04-07 Age : 68 Location : Melbourne, Australia
| Subject: Sir G will show the way Sat Jul 04, 2015 1:41 pm | |
| John not sure what you mean , but if you read the first notice you'll see they are talking of the lives already lost on the campaign . Dont forget Sir G.W was in Sth Africa before Ulundi , he was held up when trying to land at Port Durnford or one of them due to bad conditions , had been able to land there is a chance LC wouldn't have been in command at Ulundi , I'm away , check your book on the war , and you'll get an insight into the timings . 90th |
| | | Chard1879
Posts : 1261 Join date : 2010-04-12
| Subject: Re: Sir Garnet will Show them the Way Tue Jul 07, 2015 8:05 pm | |
| 11th December, 1878 - The British send an ultimatum to Zulu King Cetshwayo
31st December 1878 - Sir Henry Frere grants an extension to the ultimatum
9th January 1879 - The centre column, led by Lord Chelmsford, moves to Rorke's Drift on the edge of Zululand.
11th January 1879 - The ultimatum expires and three British columns cross the BuffaloRiver and enter Zululand. The central column heads towards the camp of a Zulu chief called Sihayo.
12th January 1879 - The central column destroys Sihayo's camp.
22nd January 1879 - The right column, led by Colonel Charles Pearson, engages 6,000 Zulu troops near to the Inyzane River.
22nd January 1879 - A Zulu force of 25,000 makes a surprise attack on the central column who have made camp at Isandlwana. Chelmsford's column is defeated and he retreats out of Zulu territory. 22nd / 23rd January 1879 - A group of Zulu reservists numbering around 4,000 attack the British outpost of Rorke's Drift. With only 150 British and colonial troops to defend the outpost, the protracted engagement lasts some 11 hours before the Zulus retreat.
23rd January 1879 - The right column is besieged within their mission fort near Eshow. This siege would last for two months.
24th January 1879 - The left column, led by Colonel Evelyn Wood, receives news of the massacre at Isandlwana and decides to withdraw his troops back to safer ground in the Kraal. At this point, only the left column is militarily effective with Chelmsford's central column having being destroyed, and Pearson's right column being under seige at Eshow.
11th February 1879 - News of the defeat at Isandlwana reaches London and reinforcements are requested. Meanwhile, Chelmsford starts rebuilding his forces for a second offensive on Zululand.
7th March - The first of the reinforcements from Britain arrive at Durban. London has agreed to send seven regiments and two artillery batteries to support Chelmsford's campaign.
12th March 1879 - A Zulu force of 500 men attack a British supply convoy at the Battle of Intombe. With only around 100 British troops protecting the convoy, this is a decisive Zulu victory.
28th March 1879 - Chelmsford orders Colonel Wood's left flank to attack the Zulu stronghold at Hlobane, in an attempt to distract Cetshwayo from the newly reinforced central column which is marching to relieve the besieged right column at Eshow. However, as the battle begins it soon becomes obvious that the main Zulu army of 20,000 are fast approaching over the hills and Wood signals the retreat.
29th March 1879 - Chelmsford leads out the central column to relieve Eshowe.
29th March 1879 - Following the retreat at Hlobane, Colonel Wood sets up a defensive camp at Kambula with his remaining force of 2,000 men. Starting at 1pm, the battle sees over 20,000 Zulus repelled and by 6pm the battle is over with the loss of only 18 British soldiers. The Battle of Kambula is seen as the turning point into the Anglo-Zulu War.
2nd April 1879 - Chelmsford's force, marching to relieve Eshow, are attacked at Gingindlovu. Zulu losses are heavy, estimated at over 1,000, whilst the British column suffers only two deaths.
3rd April 1879 - The siege at Eshow ends when Chelmsford's forces arrive.
5th April 1879 - The central and right columns evacuate Eshowe.
4th June 1879 - Aware that Chelmsford is preparing a second invasion of Zululand, Cetshwayo sends envoys to discuss peace.
16 June 1879 - Lord Chelmsford is made aware that he is to be replaced by Sir Garnet Wolseley within weeks.
June 1879 - Chelmsford quickly reorganises his forces, swelled by reinforcements from Britain, and advances again into Zululand.
28th June 1879 - Sir Garnet Wolseley arrives in Durban.
31st June 1879 - With the invading British army in sight, Cetshwayo desperately tries to strike a last minute peace deal. Chelmsford, concerned about the arrival of Wolseley and wanting to redeem himself after the catastrophe at Isandlwana, refuses any such compromise.
4th July 1879 - The main Zulu force of around 15,000 men attack Lord Chelmsford's army at the Battle of Ulundi. The Zulus are destroyed and this effectively marks the end of the Anglo-Zulu War.
8th July 1879 - Lord Chelmsford resigns.
15th July 1879 - Sir Garnet Wolesley takes over from Lord Chelmsford.
28th August 1879 - Cetshwayo is captured and is sent into exile, first to Cape Town and then to London.
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| | | rusteze
Posts : 2871 Join date : 2010-06-02
| Subject: Re: Sir Garnet will Show them the Way Tue Jul 07, 2015 8:17 pm | |
| 90% of that is entirely irrelevant to the question and the one thing that is relevant, the date of the battle of Ulundi, is wrong! Well done!
Steve |
| | | Chard1879
Posts : 1261 Join date : 2010-04-12
| Subject: Re: Sir Garnet will Show them the Way Wed Jul 08, 2015 12:30 am | |
| Steve, it's factually correct not one of your what if's. |
| | | John
Posts : 2558 Join date : 2009-04-06 Age : 62 Location : UK
| Subject: Re: Sir Garnet will Show them the Way Wed Jul 08, 2015 11:19 pm | |
| - 90th wrote:
- John not sure what you mean , but if you read the first notice you'll see they are talking of the lives already lost on the campaign . Dont forget Sir G.W was in Sth Africa before Ulundi , he was held up when trying to land at Port Durnford or one of them due to bad conditions , had been able to land there is a chance LC wouldn't have been in command at Ulundi , I'm away , check your book on the war , and you'll get an insight into the timings .
90th 90th, I was referring to the part, where it says he will take command of the army, And show them how to win. Ulundi was the last battle, commanded by LC. |
| | | rusteze
Posts : 2871 Join date : 2010-06-02
| Subject: Re: Sir Garnet will Show them the Way Wed Jul 08, 2015 11:44 pm | |
| I think your missing the point. This is not a history of the war it is a popular music hall song of the time. What it shows is how the public felt about the war and how keen they were to have a commander who knew what he was doing.
Steve |
| | | impi
Posts : 2308 Join date : 2010-07-02 Age : 44
| Subject: Re: Sir Garnet will Show them the Way Thu Jul 09, 2015 12:18 am | |
| But it was related to the Zulu War. and it was over before he really got involved. |
| | | rusteze
Posts : 2871 Join date : 2010-06-02
| Subject: Re: Sir Garnet will Show them the Way Thu Jul 09, 2015 10:15 am | |
| You're still missing the point. It is evidence of what the public thought about Chelmsford at the time and how it was popularly expressed.
Steve |
| | | impi
Posts : 2308 Join date : 2010-07-02 Age : 44
| Subject: Re: Sir Garnet will Show them the Way Thu Jul 09, 2015 10:34 pm | |
| Well like the public, we all have our own way of how one interprets the article. |
| | | rusteze
Posts : 2871 Join date : 2010-06-02
| Subject: Re: Sir Garnet will Show them the Way Fri Jul 17, 2015 11:17 am | |
| I have managed to track down a copy of this wonderful song! Now, given the ever growing readership of the forum, there must be a budding musician out there who can tinkle the ivories sufficient to give us a stirring rendition of the chorus. How about posting an audio file? [You must be registered and logged in to see this image.]Steve |
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