Faces of the Zulu War

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Some unusual images from the NAM on Twitter. Scroll down a little
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Steve

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Detail from the Fripp, i wonder how the restoration's going.

Subject: Faces of the zulu war Tue Sep 13, 2016 2:19 am

Steve
Xhosa is correct , the first 3 pics are indeed taken from Fripp's Isandlwana Painting , I haven't seen the last one before that I know of , have you Les ? .
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It is from their painting of Ulundi by Yvon.

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Morning. until Steve pointed it out i was a bit stumped, i was last
at the NAM in 2004, i went to see the Fripp. but i recall how large
the Yvon is, taking up the whole length of the wall, quite remarkable
to think that when it was commissioned it was to be three times the
size, have you been to the NAM Gary..i had some fun dodging the
security in order to take some photo's of the Fripp, just next door is
the Royal Hospital Chelsea, i wondered round the back and found
what i was looking for..the memorial to the fallen at Chillianwallah,
a fine looking edifice looking like Cleopatra's needle. xhosa

Subject: Faces of the zulu war Tue Sep 13, 2016 11:27 am

Hi Les
Havent been to the NAM , might get their once it's reopened , I think it's been put back to 2018 ? , have I read somewhere that the Chillianwallah Memorial has been Relocated ? .
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Hey Gary, i had no idea it will be closed that long..in 2004 my
wife was in London visiting my sister, she went out of her way
to visit the Royal Hospital at my request and talked to some of
the residents who assured her there was no memorial as far as
they were aware, cutting it short i went there myself a couple
of months later and investigated myself.. its a very large
complex which involved a walk of some distance down the side
of the hospital and round the back which open's up onto a vast
landscaped area, i had to blag my way past some riggers who
were setting up for an outside concert, but i could see the
memorial just beyond, it could'nt be missed, its a huge obelisk
with the names of the officers and men who fell at Chillianwallah.
decorated with regimental device's. i had not heard it had been
relocated..which would have been some job, i wonder where it is
now..does anybody know.. cheers xhosa

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Still in the same place. Each year they build the Chelsea Flower Show around it.
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Steve

Subject: Faces of the zulu war Tue Sep 13, 2016 2:01 pm

Thanks Steve ,if I get to London again I can do the Obelisk and the NAM .
Les
Do you have IK's ' Marching To The Drums ' ?
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Hey Gary, yeah i have that somewhere, what am i looking for?.
just got in half an hour ago, game called off, i had to swim to
the front door.. Suspect

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Subject: Faces of the zulu war Wed Sep 14, 2016 2:41 am

Hi Les
I was going to mention that there is an eye witness account from , and of Chillianwallah . Dig it out and have a squiz Very Happy

Cheers
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Yeah Rodger that i will dig it out..the toast on the eve of the AZW spring's
to mind.. have a squiz..ffs, so loving that. Very Happy

Subject: Faces of the zulu war Wed Sep 14, 2016 3:20 am

Hi Les , after I typed '' have a Squiz ' I wasn't sure if you'd be up with the Aussie slang ! Very Happy

. You are up very early ? Shocked

Rain keeping you awake ? Very Happy

. Yes IK mentions the Toast as well , I thoroughly enjoyed the book , Battles in there I knew of , but had no clue as to how they were fought , or carried out , Taku Forts is one off the top of my head , along with Rangoon , have you read the book ? , if not , today is a good day to read mate ! , especially if its raining ! Joker

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Hiya Gary, no mate i was off to the land of nod when i saw your post.it was a long
day is all. Aussie slang!, it made perfect sense to me, i got it straight away. Very Happy

yes i have read it and like most of Ian's work its thoughtfully researched and sits
well as something a bit different than his usual stuff, other authors seem to follow
in his wake..copying him i think..i will dig it out again, most of the modern stuff ends
up in the loft, just have'nt got the room in this dolls house i live in. hope your day
was good and your chillin. cheers xhosa

Subject: Faces of the zulu war Wed Sep 14, 2016 3:28 pm

Hi Les
Yes I agree , I really enjoyed ' Marching ' IK had copies when we were with him last November , it had just been released . I got him to sign it for me so that was nice of him . Do you have ' Despatches From The Front ; The Zulu Wars ' by Grehan & Mace ? , a couple of errors here and there , the incorrect casualty return for Inyezane , but still interesting enough , worth a read for us bookaholics ! Joker

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Yeah i have ' spies ' not even cracked it yet..thanks for the heads up
on Inyezane, pretty basic error that!, i will get Ian's book out from
wherever it is..i have the 1999 version i did not know it was reprinted!.
yeah i have a couple of thing's for him to sign, which he said he would
but you know be by know i'm not pushy in my own way, i will send
them in a month or two..bookaholic's..yeah mate that's what we are. Very Happy

Subject: Faces of the zulu war Wed Sep 14, 2016 4:53 pm

Hi Les .
I think you're correct it may well have been a reprint , it isn't the ' Spies ' book , it's ' Despatches In The Zulu Wars ' LC's correspondance along with Crealock , Wood , Bellairs , Pearson etc , also gives the 5 witness officer statements for LC's excuse for an inquiry into Isandlwana ! , along with other personal , there are a couple of bad errors with the lists , but that happens sometimes . I have it ' Spies & Espionage in the Zulu war ' I also haven't cracked it as yet , Love , I have about 15 more I need to crack open HAHAHAHAHAHAHA. I'm taking some books of Ian's to Sth Africa for him to sign in Oct , not sure how many more I have to lug in my case .
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90th. Yeah mate my bad. Despatches, bit of a brain fart off me!. it's been
pretty good this year bookwise, there has been a few cracker's JY's is
a real standout, i'm looking forward a lot to Neil's work.. you might as
well get a second home in Africa, your certainly getting your face about
there, Very Happy

Yeah i get a buzz when i come across a signed ltd ed, i think
it link's one to the author in a kind of personal way. i know that sound's a
bit artsy fartsy..

Think i will pick up a nice copy of Despatches off abe in the by and by.
Les

Subject: Faces of the zulu war Thu Sep 15, 2016 2:52 am

Hi Les
Yes , go for it , you can get it rather cheaply if you look around the main online sites as you are well aware . I to am looking forward to Neil's work , I spoke to him and unfortunately he has no date for the release , it's up to the Publishers ! Suspect

$Don\'t agree$ . I'm getting a copy of JY's book from him , hopefully he slows down a bit at work and has the time to send it off ! Very Happy

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Cheers 90th agree

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Yeah mate rodger that last bit. Salute

Publisher's can be
a right pain.. xhosa

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Hi Les .
I think you're correct it may well have been a reprint , it isn't the ' Spies ' book , it's ' Despatches In The Zulu Wars Said 90th.

Well it's so clear to me i'm losing it! this from my abe records in April.

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I would not mind but i cant find it anywhere.

Subject: Faces of the zulu war Mon Sep 19, 2016 1:37 am

Hi Les
It has some interesting reports , worthwhile getting it in my opinion , what do you think , have you had a look ? . It happens mate ! , well it was 6 months ago , at our age you're allowed a senior moment or 3 ! agree

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Subject: Re: Faces of the Zulu War Mon Sep 19, 2016 5:44 am

Gary,

What the Despatches book actually contains are the collected reports from The London Gazette. So errors in the casualty lists are contemporary ones rather than those of the modern editors.

In answer to your remark above the earliest date for my work to slow down is January 2017!

Sorry for the delay.

JY

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It has some interesting reports , worthwhile getting it in my opinion , what do you think , have you had a look ? . It happens mate ! , well it was 6 months ago , at our age you're allowed a senior moment or 3. (90th, yeah senior moment, i will go with that, Salute

it might help if i could find the
bloody thing). i guess it will turn up when i stop looking..xhosa

Subject: Faces of the zulu war Mon Sep 19, 2016 11:43 pm

There are several reports by Wood , Buller , Pearson , Glyn , Drury -Lowe and others , who single out individual officers who they state , had served their country , and themselves well . Well worth having a read Les , best you find it , and yes , no doubt once you stop looking .....it'll magically appear ! Hhahahahaha Joker

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Thanks Gary for that, something i wanted to ask you and other ' bookies ',
i don't mind at all if when i buy an older book if it has the name of the
previous owner or a bookplate and such..what i was wondering was do
any of you take ownership of your books and add your own name or
bookplate, damn if it slightly devalues it, i care nothing for that! but i like
the idea that when my small collection is sold off and scattered to the
world a bit of me goes with each book. to sign your name or not, that is
the question. xhosa

Subject: Re: Faces of the Zulu War Tue Sep 20, 2016 1:28 pm

Les
Sometimes it adds value. I have a number of books from the collection of Hammond Tooke and other collectors. I find it fun to see who owned the books and sometimes the date they acquired them. But that's just me. As you say the pleasure is from the book, hell all of mine are pretty well thumbed because I use them.

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Sometimes it adds value. I have a number of books from the collection of Hammond Tooke and other collectors. I find it fun to see who owned the books and sometimes the date they acquired them....

Thanks for that Frank, i agree totally, about ninety percent of mine are used and have gone
through god knows how many hands, i love the smell of old books and like you wonder who
owned them previously. but do you sign your acquisitions..putting your moniker on them and
taking ownership..i wonder in the far distant future when someone is putting together their
own collections would they come across books with your name inscribed?. i have some from
various people like Hattersley, Huw Jones and the like, one of my clarkes is signed from her
to Borquin. but to be honest i put my name on everything bookwise! i have my own designed
bookplate and have been trying to work my way through them, that's how eventually i will
come across the Grehan..i recently bought a book from someone we all know, it had no
inscription at all. to inscribe or not!. who does, who does'nt . cheers

Subject: Faces of the zulu war Tue Sep 20, 2016 2:50 pm

Hi Les ,
To answer your question I've never signed any of my books , even those from when I was a teenager , I never gave it a thought to be honest , I was always thinking they'd be in the house , and if you lost it , no-one can return it if only your name is in it , so I didn't see the point ! , now I'm thinking I should sign them ! . I certainly have some that were owned previously , some do have their names in them . Salute

Cheers 90th

MC doing very well at the moment , are they undefeated or won 5 in a row , or something similar ? , not like MU lost 3 games in a week ! Shocked

Subject: Re: Faces of the Zulu War Tue Sep 20, 2016 3:09 pm

Hi Les.
Ive never signed any of my library, maybe when im old and grey(er). What I do take pride in are books that have been presented to me because of help that Ive given to the authors. Its nice to have that little dedication and I do have a number of them. The last one should appear in the back of John Youngs latest. And a couple coming out this year will also give me a mention. But that pales into insignificance when you open a flyleaf and see SB or Huw Jones, worth much more than money.
Cheers

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I don't sign any of mine and yet the books I value most are those old editions with a contemporary name or bookplate - particularly individuals with a connection to the AZW. Not very logical I know. I do not seek modern author signed copies at all. Which original owner pleases you the most?

Steve

Subject: Faces of the zulu war Tue Sep 20, 2016 3:21 pm

I do have ' The Military Badges Of South Africa & Rhodesia ' by Colin Owen , not sure who the two signatures are inside the front cover , but someone has written a quotation by Winston Churchill , Owen has signed next to his photograph , as has Paul L. Franche , who also has signed his photo in the acknowledgements , so no doubt it was owned by possibly someone of some note ? ,
Oh , and the quote , which I hadn't heard before is '' I did not become the Queen's first minister to preside at the dissolution of the Empire ! '' Winston Churchill .
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Subject: Re: Faces of the Zulu War Tue Sep 20, 2016 3:43 pm

My favourite Churchill ism was when he was accused of being drunk after calling a lady ugly, That wonderful response of "Yes madam but in the morning I shall be sober".
I have a set of GE Cory 'The Rise of South Africa' Volume 1 he pays tribute to his landlord a Mr Kendal for allowing him a cheaper rental, in each subsequent volume he dedicates to the same family with an appropriate thanks, for cheap rentals and free food. As you get through the series his thanks gets more and more. Very entertaining comments.

Cheers

Subject: Faces of the zulu war Tue Sep 20, 2016 3:51 pm

Yes Frank , that's my favourite Churchill ism , no doubt . But his best one was when thanking the pilots during the battle of Britain , ' Never in the field of human conflict was so much owed by so many , to so few ' or words very similar ? Salute

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Subject: Re: Faces of the Zulu War Tue Sep 20, 2016 5:36 pm

Churchill, yes he was a great man, we could do with more like him these days here in England, because this stupid lot are throwing our once great country into oblivion, very sad to see ones country going to the dogs like this, my heart bleeds. Sad

Subject: Re: Faces of the Zulu War Tue Sep 20, 2016 6:35 pm

Gary
No argument there mate, inspiring words.

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Thank's all, yes Churchill was the man for the job! my fave of his..' we shall fight them
on the beaches, landing grounds, in the fields, and in the streets..We shall never
surrender.. awe inspiring..look what they have done to our country, brexit..with
no plan a never mind plan b. disgusting set of chancer's..

Well it must be that i was in the middle of a large family..because from a very early age
i have put my name on every thing i could. when my collection grew i upgraded to a simple
nameplate..if photobucket gets it act together i will post the image. xhosa

Subject: Re: Faces of the Zulu War Tue Sep 20, 2016 8:01 pm

Correct Les, Cameron expected a remain vote and therefor made no plan 'A', 'B', 'C' or 'D', he got the shock of his life when the good people of England and Wales voted out. And DisMay is dragging her feet with brexit, she was a remainiac and is trying to keep us in, she is going to make a mess of things unless someone tells her to get a grip, she was hopeless as home sec, she is so far proving to be the same as a stand in PM.

If only Churchill was still around today, we would never have been in this situation in the first place.

The man is a legend. Salute

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Hiya Martin good evening mate..agree with your post absolutely,

below is a couple of signed..the bookplates..the one on the left
is plain white paper, that goes in the ' modern ' works..the one
on the right is from paper taken from a nineteenth century scrap-
book, a lot thicker..in old money they measure 2"x 2"..

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Subject: Re: Faces of the Zulu War Tue Sep 20, 2016 11:36 pm

Hi Les mate, nice bookplates my friend, very impressive.

I was just looking through the pictures in the "ISANDULA COLLECTION" posted by Pete, it is so fascinating looking at the old B+W photo's, you can see the proudness and courage of the men in their poses for the photographer, big respect, marvellous stuff.

I hope you are out of the dog house with the good lady wife. Very Happy

Best regards buddy. Salute

Subject: Faces of the zulu war Wed Sep 21, 2016 1:19 am

Nice books Les , excellent plates to I might add .
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Morning Martin and Gary, thanks guys.. the plate is made up bull
s..t. i just got to thinking when over the years i saw so many
books on our subject with owners bookplates, it sounds on the face
of it very pretentious and i'm sure it will devalue my books when
they do end up back on the market, but wtf, i wont be around to
see any of that Very Happy

, i would'nt like to calculate how much i have
spent over the years, but people who collect stuff will understand.

Martin mate, who know's..she plays her cards close to her chest,
i'm currently in a state of compliance, the next thing for me is to
get her to the shops, winter coat and boots usually goes down well.
she's a cracking girl, but after 39 years together her tolerance for
my bull s..t is wafer thin at the best of times.i just keep hitting
her with love, it seems to work..at times.

cheers xhosa

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Thank's 90th for the verbal kick up the jacksy..bottom of the
last box of newbies.. xhosa Salute

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Subject: Faces of the zulu war Thu Sep 22, 2016 1:07 am

BINGO Les ! Joker

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Subject: Re: Faces of the Zulu War Thu Sep 22, 2016 2:11 am

Good shot Les, as the old saying goes, "seek and ye shall find".

I bet you were rooting for that for hours, I am like that in my house, if I can't find things right away, I will root about everywhere for it, the Shifter just watches me with a grin on her face, she knows I won't give up until I find it (which can sometimes take forever), in fact I am still rooting about for some things, the latest is for my motorbike licence. I am thinking of getting a small bike (a little 125cc), so that I can put a topbox on it and use it to get the shopping, these flaming steep hills here are a nightmare to walk up now that our useless council has clobbered the mini bus service, not much point in having a bus pass when there are no buses. A little 125 would be about right, I no longer need a big bike, it would be a waste of power for the short trips I would use it for.

Glad you found the book mate. Salute

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Thanks Gary.. Salute

Martin..cheers mate, glad the shifter is well, yeah there closing down everything they
can, its cuts on cuts, they will obviously inherit the society they are creating. and us
working class will foot the bill as usual..austerity they can shove it up there a..e.
mental picture of you on a 125 tearing around the area..go on mate go for it. Les. Very Happy

Subject: Re: Faces of the Zulu War Thu Sep 22, 2016 3:44 pm

LOL, do you mean terrorising the area wearing my fringed leather jacket with skull and bones on the back, revving up the massive 4 stroke engine of the 125 and making it growl like a lion, or do you mean putt putting along with the little engine purring away like a kitten. Very Happy

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LOL, do you mean terrorising the area wearing my fringed leather jacket with skull and bones on the back, revving up the massive 4 stroke engine of the 125 and making it growl like a lion, or do you mean putt putting along with the little engine purring away like a kitten...ha ha that's well funny
Martin Very Happy

got to say mate i think it will be the latter, i have never rode a motorbike but even i know
the higher the cc the more powerful..so at 125 your gonna be put putting along like the wind, god
help the local's. Les

Subject: Re: Faces of the Zulu War Fri Sep 23, 2016 12:55 am

Zoooooooooom! Very Happy

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