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Brett Hendey
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| Subject: Natal Mounted Police nominal rolls - Introduction Sun Jan 27, 2013 9:27 am | |
| The Natal Mounted Police The Natal Mounted Police (NMP) was formed in 1874 and lasted until 1894, when Natal became a self-governing Colony and its law-enforcement agencies were amalgamated to become the Natal Police. The NMP was a paramilitary organisation that was the Colony’s first line of defence in times of trouble. At such times it was strengthened, if necessary, by the mobilisation of the Colony’s volunteer regiments, such as the Natal Carbineers. In its early years, it was seriously under-manned and poorly equipped but, nevertheless, the force survived to earn acclaim and develop an enviable esprit de corps. The most notable period in the NMP’s short history was the five years between 1877 and 1881, during which several notable events in Natal’s history took place. The NMP played a significant role in these events. They were: 1877 - Annexation of the Transvaal 1879 - Anglo-Zulu War 1880 - Visit of the Empress Eugenie of France 1880 - Basutoland Rebellion 1880/81 - Transvaal Rebellion (1st Anglo-Boer War).
The only medals awarded to the NMP during its existence were earned during this period. They were the South Africa Medal (1877-79) for service during the Zulu War (a total of 257), and the Cape of Good Hope General Service Medal for service during the Basutoland Rebellion (29). The NMP’s commanding officer, Major John Dartnell, was decorated with the CMG for his service during the Transvaal Rebellion, for which no service medal was awarded. There were, therefore, only 286 named service medals and one decoration awarded to the NMP during its existence and, as such, they can be regarded as rarities.
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| | | Brett Hendey
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| Subject: Natal Mounted Police nominal rolls - 1 Sun Jan 27, 2013 9:29 am | |
| NATAL MOUNTED POLICE
ANNEXATION OF THE TRANSVAAL – 1877
The men of the Natal Mounted Police who provided the escort for Sir Theophilus Shepstone, the Special Commissioner whose duty it was to annex the Transvaal on behalf of the British Government, are listed below. No medal was issued for this duty.
Sub-Inspector F L Phillips (later Inspector)
16 Sergeant J W Abbott 84 Corporal R Cushing 15 “ W R Faddy 145 “ F Champ 112 “ D F McQueen
94 Trumpeter W Knott
130 Trooper M Allison 139 “ W Bartley 138 “ R Bradshaw (afterwards drowned in the Mooi River) 100 “ A Grisair 109 “ P A Holmes 105 “ P Husband 132 “ T W Jenkins “ Mathie (either 135 J R Mathie or 136 E C Mathie) 26 “ J McDonald 147 “ T F Myers 49 “ A Owen 102 “ J W Pleydell (killed at Isandlwana.) 36 “ G L Rafter 51 “ C A Scrivener 59 “ R M Sharp 101 “ W H Sharp 140 “ C M F Sparks 45 “ T Ward 71 “ J Whitwell
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| | | Brett Hendey
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| Subject: Natal Mounted Police nominal rolls - 2 Sun Jan 27, 2013 9:31 am | |
| NATAL MOUNTED POLICE
ANGLO-ZULU WAR 1879
CENTRAL COLUMN (ISANDLWANA & RORKE’S DRIFT)
The muster roll of the Natal Mounted Police given below was recorded at Rorke’s Drift on the morning after the Battles of Isandlwana and Rorke’s Drift in order to find out the names of missing men. It was given by W J Clarke in his 1893 history of the NMP. Service numbers and initials have been added and the spelling of names follows that on the NMP enlistment roll. The men were awarded the S A Medal (1877-79) with the 1879 clasp.
The muster roll names all the Natal Mounted Policemen who were part of the Colonial mounted force that crossed into Zululand with the Central Column under the command of Lord Chelmsford. The list identifies the 34 men who were at Isandlwana and three who were at Rorke’s Drift when these camps were attacked by the Zulus. The remaining 97 men must have been with the patrol led by Major Dartnell that went in search of the Zulu army the day before the attacks on Isandlwana and Rorke’s Drift. They returned to the Isandlwana camp on the evening of the battle, spent the night in the devastated camp and left for Rorke’s Drift early the following morning. The parade during which the muster roll was compiled took place after the men were given a meal of tinned meat, bread and rum, the first food for many of them in 60 hours.
Major J G Dartnell (later Major-General Sir John Dartnell KCB CMG, Natal Police) Inspector G Mansel (later Colonel G Mansel CMG, Natal Police) “ F A Campbell Sub-Inspector F L Phillips
25 Sergeant-Major W Stean (later Sub-Inspector and Adjutant) 15 Sergeant W R Faddy 115 “ W H Hobson 112 “ D F McQueen 82 “ R Moor 151 Corporal W S Chaddock (died of fever at Helpmekaar) 118 “ T H DeBathe 67 “ W Jordan 74 “ M Lally (killed at Isandlwana) 175 “ M A Masson (later Sub-Inspector) 21 “ J A Melville 178 Lance-Corporal H M Campbell (killed at Isandlwana) 269 “ R N Eaton (escaped from Isandlwana) 270 “ A Groschke 255 “ E H Lyons 149 “ A Smart
167 Trumpeter R F Angove 94 “ W Knott 80 “ J Haygarth 256 “ R W Stevens (escaped from Isandlwana)
234 Trooper C F Adams 1 “ G Babington 286 “ A C Bacon 133 “ W Balloch 261 “ F Bampton 287 “ G H Banger (killed at Isandlwana) 215 “ F E Bates 185 “ W J E Bawtree 277 “ H Beeby 258 “ G Bennett (died of fever at Helpmekaar) 179 “ H Berry (killed at Isandlwana) 276 “ E Blakeman (killed at Isandlwana) 141 “ H Boik 262 “ W I Brown 209 “ H F Campbell 124 “ H I Capps (killed at Isandlwana) 143 “ J Carpenter 264 “ C J Carter 188 “ L Carter 216 “ S Chappell 218 “ H Clark 239 “ J Clark (killed at Isandlwana) 249 “ W J Clarke (later Chief Commissioner, Natal Police) 199 “ G Collier (escaped from Isandlwana) 89 “ G I Cooper 236 “ W N Cuming 180 “ S Daniels (killed at Isandlwana) 200 “ E A Day 104 “ D Doig (escaped from Isandlwana) 284 “ H V Dorehill (escaped from Isandlwana; later Sub-Inspector) 231 “: C T Dorey (killed at Isandlwana) 142 “ W Driemeyer (murdered at Newcastle) 238 “ T Dryer 170 “ J Eason (killed at Isandlwana) 274 “ A J Evans 186 “ W Fletcher (killed at Isandlwana) 197 “ C Fogg 184 “ J Ford 240 “ A S Fowler 237 “ F Freyings 157 “ J Gilmore 159 “ D Gleeson 220 “ H C Green 219 “ R Green (wounded in the defence of Rorke’s Drift) 106 “ L Haigh 246 “ M W Hall 69 “ W Hall 268 “ W G Hall 253 “ C Hamilton (later Sub-Inspector) 254 “ H R Hamilton 113 “ G F Harrison 273 “ W Hayes (escaped from Isandlwana; died of fever at Helpmekaar) 245 “ M Hifferman 83 “ H Heise 280 “ S Hunter (killed at Rorke’s Drift) 57 “ G Hughes 288 “ J Hughes 169 “ P B Ingram (died of fever at Helpmekaar) 198 “ F E Irving 148 “ G W Jones 227 “ W Kershaw 164 “ R Kincade (escaped from Isandlwana) 232 “ C J Laughnan (died of fever at Ladysmith) 229 “ R T Litton 291 “ H C J Lloyd (killed at Isandlwana) 271 “ H Lugg (in the defence of Rorke’s Drift) 129 “ T McRae (killed at Isandlwana) 136 “ E C Mathie 152 “ C H Meares (killed at Isandlwana) 247 “ W A Medigan 278 “ P Nagle (died of fever at Helpmekaar) 235 “ H Neil (killed at Isandlwana) 272 “ W Nelson 257 “ H Newhook 49 “ A Owen 223 “ H Palmer 248 “ A Parsons (killed at Isandlwana) 230 “ W G Patrick (not on medal roll) 289 “ H T Pearse (killed at Isandlwana) 172 “ H J Pitt 102 “ J W Pleydell (killed at Isandlwana) 156 “ A F Pollard (killed at Isandlwana) 154 “ R Reed 134 “ C Robson 212 “ J Roffey 153 “ C W Royston 63 “ A Rummings 259 “ A Secretan “ F R Secretan (killed at Isandlwana; service number not found) 177 “ R I Shannon (escaped from Isandlwana) 123 “ J W M Siddal (killed at Isandlwana) 192 “ C W Singleton 205 “ E Smith 266 “ J S Smith 9 “ H S Smithe (committed suicide at Helpmekaar) 225 “ J Soundy 202 “ J A Sowerby 140 “ C M F Sparks (escaped from Isandlwana) 126 “ T B Steer 193 “ W E Stimpson (killed at Isandlwana) 201 “ S E Thicke (killed at Isandlwana) 166 “ G E Turner 190 “ J F Walker 292 “ W B Walker 111 “ E Wall 285 “ A G B Warner 214 “ C White (killed at Isandlwana) 119 “ M H White 275 “ H Winkles (killed at Isandlwana) 265 “ D Wright
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| | | Brett Hendey
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| Subject: Natal Mounted Police nominal rolls - 3 Sun Jan 27, 2013 9:37 am | |
| NATAL MOUNTED POLICE
ANGLO-ZULU WAR 1879
ESCORT FOR SIR GARNET WOLSELEY
Sir Garnet Wolseley (later Viscount Wolseley), the new Governor of Natal and the Transvaal and High Commissioner of Southern Africa, arrived in Durban in July 1879. The Natal Mounted Police provided an escort for Wolseley during his trip to Zululand in the closing stages of the War.
The names of the escort are copied from the list given by Terry Sole in his book, For Queen and Country (Token Publishing, 2011). The service numbers are from the NMP enlistment roll. With the exception of Corporal Abraham, the men were awarded the SA Medal (1877-79) with the 1879 clasp.
Sub-Inspector F L Phillips
69 Sergeant J W MacLaren 213 Corporal F M Abraham 221 “ G Eicke 176 “ J G C Hammond
130 Trooper M Allison 295 “ P Berthold 302 “ F H Billing 222 “ F Billson 163 “ B Cooper 233 “ C C Davies 320 “ G Harrison 263 “ J A Hope 290 “ G A Howie 161 “ W Lellyott 86 “ F Loftus 352 “ W H A Molyneux 296 “ R W Newbold 294 “ W Owens 217 “ H Piers 211 “ H T Read 195 “ R Richardson 354 “ J H T Robinson “ C Watts (service number not found)
NATIVE POLICE
Sergeant Mankamane Corporal Tintibella
Private Boya “ Boza “ Isifuba “ Jantze “ Madagan “ Magamene “ Nyoni “ Sobantu “ Ujan “ Umpini
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| | | Brett Hendey
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| Subject: Natal Mounted Police nominal rolls - 4 Sun Jan 27, 2013 9:38 am | |
| NATAL MOUNTED POLICE
ANGLO-ZULU WAR 1879
RESERVE FORCE NOT ON ACTIVE SERVICE
The names of the reserve force, which was based in Pietermaritzburg and Harding, are copied from the lists given by Terry Sole in his book, For Queen and Country (Token Publishing, 2011), and D R Forsyth’s S A Medal (1877-79) roll. The service numbers are from the NMP enlistment roll and some spellings have been changed to conform with those on the roll. The men were awarded the S A Medal (1877-79) without a clasp.
Sub-Inspector C R Jackson
19 Sergeant E C H Crallan 145 Corporal F Champ 132 “ T W Jenkins
195 Trumpeter R Richardson
47 Trooper J G Adams (accidentally killed) 281 “ F Bekkely 301 “ J W F Biggs (enlisted as J W Forbes-Biggs) 279 “ T Blakeman 299 “ H S Boome 353 “ J N Bowman 196 “ F G H Bradbury 182 “ S Burgoyne 207 “ A Burney 250 “ E Camp 303 “ C A M Campbell 125 “ T Charlesworth 128 “ W Charlesworth 304 “ E Cheesman 308 “ H D Clarabut 155 “ S W Coates 309 “ J G Connorton 351 “ A E Cunningham 311 “ E C Dalrymple 312 “ E M Daw 313 “ W Dickenson 314 “ W D Dreweatt 206 “ E T Drury 204 “ R W Farr 315 “ W W Fry 316 “ W B Gardner 317 “ T Gill 305 “ J Gray 318 “ H C Green 220 “ H C Green 210 “ E M Hampshire 319 “ H D Harris 321 “ P Harrod 355 “ A Haynes 322 “ H W Hern 323 “ J H Hern 324 “ J M Hutton 325 “ F Ilbery (ILBERY) 160 “ E F Jenner 326 “ S H Joseph 327 “ H Langmid 306 “ A Leslie 328 “ J T Liddell 181 “ F E Lochner 329 “ H Longfield 356 “ J MacDermott 307 “ C R G MacDonald 330 “ G Martin 331 “ E C Marsh 332 “ W C Marshall 135 “ J R Mathie 298 “ H F Mattheys 333 “ C W Morland 334 “ F W C Moxon 147 “ T F Myers 242 “ R Palmer 241 “ J R Pardy 335 “ W P Pavey 283 “ W R Pearson “ J Pierson (service number not found) 336 “ W C Penny 168 “ P Pringle 337 “ E A Purser 338 “ G C Richards 339 “ A B Russ 340 “ C C Secretan 341 “ A P Sidney 342 “ W Simons 343 “ F C Steffan 344 “ D J Stephens 345 “ W Taylor “ D Thomson (service number not found) 346 “ H S Wardrop 347 “ J D Watson 348 “ H T Widdrington 267 “ T Wignall 349 “ W Williams 350 “ R W Wingfield 183 “ A J S Young
NATIVE POLICE
Private Endengiza “ Matchlan “ Siquosa “ Umbedda
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| | | Brett Hendey
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| Subject: Natal Mounted Police nominal rolls - 5 Sun Jan 27, 2013 9:40 am | |
| NATAL MOUNTED POLICE
BASUTOLAND REBELLION – 1880
When the Basutoland Rebellion broke out, the Natal Mounted Police were deployed to defend the passes in the Drakensberg against incursions from Basuto stock thieves. Those men who were considered to be on active service qualified for the award of the Cape of Good Hope General Service Medal. All, except one man, received the medal with the Basutoland clasp.
The exception was Trooper M de M Harris, who was awarded the Transkei clasp. Harris’ name does not appear on the NMP enlistment roll and the issue of an unlikely clasp suggests that he belonged to another unit.
Another error was the listing of Corporal W V Dorehill of the NMP under the Natal Mounted Rifles. The NMR did not exist in 1880.
Major J G Dartnell (later Major-General Sir John Dartnell KCB CMG, Natal Police) Inspector F A Campbell “ G Mansel (later Colonel G Mansel CMG, Natal Police) Sub-Inspector F L Phillips (later Inspector)
115 Sergeant W H Hobson 175 “ M A Masson (later Inspector) 213 Corporal F M Abraham 216 “ S Chappell 249 “ W J Clarke (later Chief Commissioner, Natal Police) 284 “ W V Dorehill (later Inspector) 253 “ C Hamilton (later Sub-Inspector) 370 “ A Prendergast (later Inspector) 94 Lance-Corporal W Knott 390 “ C A Martin
391 Trooper W D Campbell (later Sub-Inspector and Quartermaster) 304 “ E Cheesman 313 “ W Dickenson 372 “ F Evans (later Sub-Inspector) 444 “ W C H George (later Inspector) 69 “ W Hall ( “ M de M Harris) 321 “ P Harrod 377 “ G S Mardall (later Chief Commissioner, Natal Police) 382 “ H Pennefather 386 “ C J Perceval (later Earl of Egmont.) 419 “ O Petsch 495 “ J Pearson 337 “ E A Purser 397 “ H R Tully 400 “ C A Vibert
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| | | Brett Hendey
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| Subject: Natal Mounted Police nominal rolls - 6 Sun Jan 27, 2013 9:42 am | |
| NATAL MOUNTED POLICE
ESCORT FOR EMPRESS EUGENIE OF FRANCE – 1880
The Empress Eugenie visited Natal for seven weeks during April, May and June 1880 in order to see the place where her son, the Prince Imperial of France, Louis Napoleon, was killed during the Zulu War. No medal was issued for this duty.
15 Sergeant W R Faddy 182 Corporal S Burgoyne 249 “ W J Clarke (later Chief Commissioner, Natal Police)
295 Trooper P Berthold 262 “ W Brown 391 “ W D Campbell (later Sub-Inspector and Quartermaster) 310 “ G I Cooper 375 “ H Eardley-Wilmot (sometimes recorded as Tpr Wilmot) 372 “ F Evans 184 “ J Ford 318 “ H C Green 413 “ G W Heathcote 324 “ J M Hutton “ Lochner (either 181 F E Lochner or 423 F W Lochner) 329 “ H Longfield 382 “ H Pennefather 289 “ H T Pearse (sometimes recorded as 217 Tpr H Piers) 359 “ A W Ravenscroft 339 “ A B Russ 256 “ R W Stevens
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| | | Brett Hendey
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| Subject: Natal Mounted Police nominal rolls - 7 Sun Jan 27, 2013 9:43 am | |
| NATAL MOUNTED POLICE
TRANSVAAL REBELLION – 1880/81 (1st ANGLO-BOER WAR)
When the Transvaal Rebellion began in December 1880, the Governor of Natal and Officer Commanding the British Forces in south-east Africa, Major-General Sir George Colley, had no Imperial cavalry under his command, so a detachment of the Natal Mounted Police was called out to form a mounted presence on the Transvaal border. The NMP remained on active service until 30/3/1881. In keeping with the British tradition of not honouring a defeat, no campaign medal was issued for this conflict, although Major Dartnell was awarded the CMG.
The roll of men involved in the Transvaal Rebellion given by W J Clarke in his 1893 history of the NMP has been improved with the addition of service numbers and initials, while spellings follow those in the NMP enlistment roll.
Major J G Dartnell (later Major-General Sir John Dartnell KCB CMG, Natal Police) Inspector G Mansel (later Colonel G Mansel CMG, Natal Police) Sub-Inspector F L Phillips (later Inspector)
15 Sergeant W R Faddy 112 “ D F McQueen 175 “ M A Masson (later Inspector) 182 Corporal S Burgoyne 249 “ W J Clarke (later Chief Commissioner, Natal Police) 418 “ W Driemeyer 253 “ C Hamilton (later Sub-Inspector) 26 “ J McDonald 370 “ A Prendergast
262 Trumpeter W I Brown 80 “ J Haygarth
286 Trooper A C Bacon 277 “ H Beeby 295 “ P Berthold 222 “ F Bilson 362 “ A K Blagameno 303 “ C A M Campbell 304 “ E Cheesman 311 “ E C Dalrymple 312 “ E M Daw 313 “ W Dickenson 375 “ H Eardley-Wilmot (sometimes recorded as Tpr Wilmot) 441 “ H English 399 “ W Errington 365 “ B Fisher 184 “ J Ford “ A C M Foster (service number not found) 315 “ W W Fry 444 “ W C H George 361 “ H G Gibson 317 “ T Gill 305 “ J Gray 429 “ R B Greenwood 246 “ M W Hall 319 “ H D Harris 320 “ G Harrison “ H Hearn (service number not found) “ J Hearn (service number not found) 442 “ C T Holand 324 “ J M Hutton 364 “ G H Ingram 326 “ S H Joseph 384 “ E Kneller 379 “ J G Knowles Kornatsky 327 “ H Langmid 328 “ J T Liddell 329 “ H Longfield 392 “ F Manning 377 “ G S Mardall (later Chief Commissioner) 331 “ E C Marsh 298 “ H F Mattheys 381 “ H H Mayberry 296 “ R W Newbold 257 “ H Newhook 389 “ F A Olmersdahl 374 “ R Paterson 336 “ W C Penny 382 “ H Pennefather 376 “ J P Prior 337 “ E A Purser 359 “ A W Ravenscroft 339 “ A B Russ 345 “ W Taylor 397 “ H R Tully 166 “ G E Turner 292 “ W B Walker 347 “ J D Watson
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| | | tasker224
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| Subject: Re: Natal Mounted Police nominal rolls - Introduction Sun Jan 27, 2013 9:57 am | |
| - Brett Hendey wrote:
“ F R Secretan (killed at Isandlwana; service number not found)
Unusual. Even on his medal which was sold at DNW in Mar 2012, the full inscription on the rim reads: Tr. F. Secretan. Natal Md. Police |
| | | tasker224
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| Subject: Re: Natal Mounted Police nominal rolls - Introduction Sun Jan 27, 2013 10:07 am | |
| But then again, the service of number of other men to this unit does not appear on the medal either. The naming is formatted exactly like Secretan's medal. Here's a couple. Lugg [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]Charlesworth [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] |
| | | Brett Hendey
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| Subject: Re: Natal Mounted Police nominal rolls - Introduction Sun Jan 27, 2013 12:04 pm | |
| The service numbers of Natal Mounted Policemen are not given on their medals. When F R Secretan's medal came onto the market many years ago, a search of the NMP records in Pietermaritzburg failed to reveal his name in the enlistment register (it still isn't there) and, since he clearly was KiA at Isandlwana, it was concluded that the NMP files were faulty. There is no way of knowing how many other names were omitted in those early days - not many, I suspect.
Brett
PS 259 Tpr A Secretan (enlisted 23/4/1878) and 340 Tpr CC Secretan (2/6/1879) are in the enlistment register. |
| | | Jager1
Posts : 75 Join date : 2011-02-26 Location : Scotland
| Subject: Re: Natal Mounted Police nominal rolls - Introduction Tue Jan 29, 2013 8:34 am | |
| Excellent work there Brett
Jager1 |
| | | Frank Allewell
Posts : 8572 Join date : 2009-09-21 Age : 77 Location : Cape Town South Africa
| Subject: Re: Natal Mounted Police nominal rolls - Introduction Tue Jan 29, 2013 9:31 am | |
| Francis Secretans name is on the monument to those who died at iSandlwana
regards |
| | | 90th
Posts : 10909 Join date : 2009-04-07 Age : 68 Location : Melbourne, Australia
| Subject: Re: Natal Mounted Police nominal rolls - Introduction Tue Jan 29, 2013 10:09 am | |
| Hi Brett . Yes , agree with Jager1 , good job well done . Cheers 90th. |
| | | Brett Hendey
Posts : 269 Join date : 2010-12-02 Location : Kloof, KZN
| Subject: Re: Natal Mounted Police nominal rolls - Introduction Wed Jan 30, 2013 5:25 am | |
| Jager1 & 90th
Thank you for your kind comments.
Regards Brett |
| | | barry
Posts : 947 Join date : 2011-10-21 Location : Algoa Bay
| Subject: NMP muster rolls Wed Jan 30, 2013 7:10 am | |
| Hi Brett, Thanks for posting. Do you happen to have any bio on NMP Tpr Pleydell, kia, Isandlwana and who was the NMP watercart driver there. In passing I must mention that It is pleasing to see that the names of the Zulu NMP troopers were included in your lists. It is my understanding that there were more of them involved, serving as muleteers, wagon drivers/cooks with the NMP column. One of these, at least, is known to have "gapped it" and got down to the mZinyathi where he helped save NMP Tpr Stevens.
regards
barry
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| | | Brett Hendey
Posts : 269 Join date : 2010-12-02 Location : Kloof, KZN
| Subject: Re: Natal Mounted Police nominal rolls - Introduction Wed Jan 30, 2013 7:37 am | |
| Hi Barry
Sorry, I don't have anything on Pleydell.
The incomplete record of Zulu members in the NMP during the Zulu War was repeated by the NP durng the Boer War. Although the men were largely engaged in menial chores, their services were essential and they deserved more that just occasional references by incomplete names. In the case of the Boer War, Zulus who served in the NP, Zululand Police and as Guides and Scouts in the Field Intelligence Department (and its forerunners)contributed directly to the war effort and were entitled to the award of the bronze QSA. In the case of the Guides, this medal was withheld on the whim of the Secretary for Native Affairs, while in the case of the NP and ZP it is clearly the commanding officers who were responsible for the injustice.
Regards Brett |
| | | barry
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| Subject: NMP muster rolls Wed Jan 30, 2013 8:09 am | |
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Hi Brett, Thanks. This all just illustrates how inaccurate, in the official records, the total kia numbers are.
regards
barry
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| | | Victorian Dad
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| Subject: Re: Natal Mounted Police nominal rolls - Introduction Sun Oct 01, 2017 4:19 pm | |
| Where all the Natal Mounted Police, South Africans or did British recruits form any of their number? |
| | | Frank Allewell
Posts : 8572 Join date : 2009-09-21 Age : 77 Location : Cape Town South Africa
| Subject: Re: Natal Mounted Police nominal rolls - Introduction Sun Oct 01, 2017 7:05 pm | |
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| | | Victorian Dad
Posts : 41 Join date : 2015-12-27 Location : Victorian London
| Subject: Re: Natal Mounted Police nominal rolls - Introduction Mon Oct 02, 2017 4:00 am | |
| - Frank Allewell wrote:
- founded by a canadian
That's interesting thanks. |
| | | 90th
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| Subject: NMP Nominal Rolls - Introduction Mon Oct 02, 2017 5:05 am | |
| Victorian Dad , they were mostly Local or from the UK , bit also other countries as well . 90th |
| | | Victorian Dad
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| | | | Victorian Dad
Posts : 41 Join date : 2015-12-27 Location : Victorian London
| Subject: Re: Natal Mounted Police nominal rolls - Introduction Mon Oct 02, 2017 10:38 am | |
| - Victorian Dad wrote:
- Where all the Natal Mounted Police, South Africans or did British recruits form any of their number?
Appears one of the Natal Police defenders at Rorke's Drift was from Devon! Trooper “Harry” Lugg, who, having departed Devon to seek his fortune in South Africa, enlisted as a Trooper in the Natal Mounted Police and fought with distinction in the defence of that place on 22 January 1879: his account of the action - noted for its inclusion of the quote “As black as hell and as thick as grass” - was subsequently published in the home press, while his heroic deeds were further commemorated by his inclusion in Alphonse de Neuville’s famous oil painting, itself said to have been based upon a sketch provided by Lugg. |
| | | Frank Allewell
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| Subject: Re: Natal Mounted Police nominal rolls - Introduction Mon Oct 02, 2017 10:55 am | |
| Henry (Harry) Lugg born 1859 at Northlew Devonshire. When he emigrated to SA on board the Roslyn Castle he was with W.J.Clark future Commisioner of the Natal Police. Luggs Zulu name was Gwazamazulu ( The Zulu Slayer).
His history is very well chronicled in 'A Natal Family Looks Back' written by his son HC Lugg. And yes his sketch was sent to DeNeuville.
Cheers |
| | | Frank Allewell
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| Subject: Re: Natal Mounted Police nominal rolls - Introduction Mon Oct 02, 2017 10:59 am | |
| Sorry should have added that Dartnell, founder of the Police, was Canadian of Irish descent who earned his laurels in the Indian Mutiny, a lifelong friend of Harry Lugg |
| | | 90th
Posts : 10909 Join date : 2009-04-07 Age : 68 Location : Melbourne, Australia
| Subject: NMP Nominal Rolls - Introduction Mon Oct 02, 2017 2:10 pm | |
| Yes Frank , Dartnell was born in Ontario Canada in 1837 , and was in the British Army in 1855 . 90th |
| | | barry
Posts : 947 Join date : 2011-10-21 Location : Algoa Bay
| Subject: The Natal Mounted Police Wed Oct 04, 2017 11:44 am | |
| Hi Victorian Dad,
In it's early formative years under Maj James Giles (ex Adj 14th KRH) , then a local magistrate , the policing function in Natal , which fell under the command of the magistracys, was manned by many untrained and inexperienced locals who desparately needed the income derived from their employment . Very few of these men were actually suitable for their tasks and, thus, later when Maj Dartnell took over it was decided to recruit new blood from England to man the NMP, in order to fix the skills requirement. One of the requirements of these new recruits was to select and employ properly educated men of integrity, thus better equipping them for leadership roles in the future. Dartnell and Giles had both served in the Indian Mutiny in prestigious British regiments under Maj Gen Sir Hugh Rose and like his predecessor, Maj Giles was decorated there for gallantry too. Dartnell had been severely wounded in a battle when storming, with ladders, a fort held by the Indian rebels. So, based on their own tough early military experiences, their standards were high. Slowly, post the AZW, the older less suitable NMP members were leaving the force and the new blood was taking over and this process of natural attrition resulted in most of the Police leadership being "non local" by late in the century. Dartnell, by then a General, had left the Natal Police, retiring, shortly after the turn of the century, and he spent his latter years in his home in Folkestone. Clarke, Dartnell's successor, a Worth man by birth, transfered from his Natal Police appointment in 1913, taking up instead duties in the South African Army, as regimental commander of the 2 SAMR. In this roll he was 21c to Gen Lukin, the Chief of the SA Army. From this post he retired in 1919 after returning from a special WW1 assignment in N. Europe. He later, in 1936, deceased in Pietermaritzburg where he had made his home and had raised his family. In passing I may mention that this man, Clarke, at the close of WW1, was the second most decorated military officer in South Africa. He was MID twice in his career.
regards
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| | | 90th
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| Subject: NMP Nominal Rolls - Introduction Wed Oct 04, 2017 1:40 pm | |
| Hi Barry I hope you're well ? , do you know where is Clarke is buried in Maritzburg ? 90th |
| | | barry
Posts : 947 Join date : 2011-10-21 Location : Algoa Bay
| Subject: Col Clarke Wed Oct 04, 2017 2:33 pm | |
| Hi Gary,
All well here, thanks. In answer to your query; The grave is in the cemetery in Albert Luthuli Street, Pietermaritzburg (adjacent to the old Gray's Hospital), east side, NMP section; approx position ; 29deg 36.23' S/ 30deg 23.06E
regards
barry |
| | | 90th
Posts : 10909 Join date : 2009-04-07 Age : 68 Location : Melbourne, Australia
| Subject: NMP Nominal Rolls - Introduction Thu Oct 05, 2017 3:55 am | |
| Hi Barry Glad all is well with you mate , I'll certainly try to get there if and when I come over next May / June . I was at the Cemetery in Maritzburg earlier this year , luckily enough to come across the Colenso Family , Charlie Raw ( who found the zulu's in the Ngwebini Valley ) and several others . Thanks for the information much appreciated . Cheers Barry 90th |
| | | anorakABO
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| Subject: Re: Natal Mounted Police nominal rolls - Introduction Mon Jan 08, 2018 2:55 am | |
| 104 “ D Doig (escaped from Isandlwana) (listed above) is my third great uncle, he was born 3 Mar 1851 in Durban, Natal, South Africa; christened 24 Jun 1856 in Pietermaritzburg, Natal, South Africa. His father John Duff Doig brought his family to South Africa (from Bankfoot, Auchtergaven, Scotland) on the ship "Devonian," arriving in Oct 1850.
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| | | Brett Hendey
Posts : 269 Join date : 2010-12-02 Location : Kloof, KZN
| Subject: Re: Natal Mounted Police nominal rolls - Introduction Mon Jan 08, 2018 6:01 am | |
| Thank you for the information on D Doig. Regards Brett |
| | | ymob
Posts : 2268 Join date : 2010-10-22 Location : France
| Subject: Re: Natal Mounted Police nominal rolls - Introduction Mon Jan 08, 2018 8:19 am | |
| Bonjour AnorakABO, Please, have got letters, diaries written by him, or photographs of him? Cheers Frédéric |
| | | anorakABO
Posts : 26 Join date : 2015-09-17
| Subject: Re: Natal Mounted Police nominal rolls - Introduction Tue Jan 09, 2018 1:30 am | |
| Hi Brett, ymob, I've reached out to my cousin (great granddaughter of David Doig) for photos, letters etc. I'll pass on anything she sends me. I have quite a few Doig family photos but I've yet to identify everyone. |
| | | 90th
Posts : 10909 Join date : 2009-04-07 Age : 68 Location : Melbourne, Australia
| Subject: Natal Mtd Police Nominal Rolls - Introduction Tue Jan 09, 2018 7:53 am | |
| Hi anorakABO I to will be looking forward to seeing what you have on Trpr D. Doig . If you'd like to see some photo's of the Natal Mtd Police Headquarters building in Pietermaritzburg , let me know and I'll send them to Xhosa , who'll post them for you when he has the time . 90th |
| | | Victorian Dad
Posts : 41 Join date : 2015-12-27 Location : Victorian London
| Subject: Re: Natal Mounted Police nominal rolls - Introduction Mon Oct 01, 2018 6:43 pm | |
| Exactly how many 1879 medals were issued to the Natal Police and out of that number how many are known to exist? |
| | | 90th
Posts : 10909 Join date : 2009-04-07 Age : 68 Location : Melbourne, Australia
| Subject: Natal Mtd Police Nominal Rolls - Introduction Tue Oct 02, 2018 4:24 am | |
| Hi Vic Dad The D.R.Forsyth Roll has 167 Medals issued to the NMP , of which 7 were returned to Woolwich Mint , they are listed as those with Clasp 166 , 1 No Clasp . Then there's the NMP Roll for those who were Headquarters and Reserves who did not cross the Zulu Border , these recipients were awarded the Medal with No Clasp , a total of 89 , also 7 of which were returned to Woolwich Mint . No way of knowing how many are still in circulation , but I suppose you could work on 50 % ? . 90th |
| | | Julian Whybra
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| Subject: Re: Natal Mounted Police nominal rolls - Introduction Wed Oct 10, 2018 2:32 pm | |
| One of the Natal Mounted Police's black constables can be seen on the extreme left of the photo of Sir Theophilus Shepstone's Annexation Escort 1877. He is holding a horse and standing just behind its head. |
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